What makes this discussion topic difficult for me is that I’ve been trying to actualize it, in the belief that you can make small changes in concentric circles around yourself. Agent of change and all that. And you _can_ … but it’s *really* difficult to make real. I’m sorry if I was ranting, Manuel Delaflor – it’s just that I’ve been trying to balance utilization of the existing capitalist system in a manner _most_ reflects this very value system – from my dealings with the IRS, from my marketing and advertising efforts, how I handle and disperse money, my lifestyle, trade and barter skills and all these marvelous ideals. Yet without the support of a community of like-minded people, it’s uphill sliding backwords when it gets to a level where it’s not words on an Internet forum. I *want* this to be a reality and I’ve found that I had to turn to virtual reality to actualize it in some form. I had for 23 months a money-free system where I distributed land generously and equally, giving people all the tools necessary to create their reality, with no stipulations except: Don’t be a bully. [on Minecraft – 27,000 ppl total – real people whose land happened to be on my computer but otherwise, not so different]. Real people learned to fight and cooperate. There was nothing *to hoard*. We had jails for offenders to common decency, and yes there was STILL thieving and looting on occasion. Yet, there was no food to worry about. I took away death, except in areas that people wanted to fight and die. There were limitations of land area but not what you could do with it. So it’s not like reality. Yet it was a hint of what’s possible. But in ‘real life’ – I’ve been trying to make this happen since I was 18 in some form, and I’m 43 now. It’s frustrating.