“Who let these guys in our party?” Somebody did. I’m sure there’s innocent confederates there. That’s not something I even question.

“Who let these guys in our party?” Somebody did. I’m sure there’s innocent confederates there. That’s not something I even question.

But somebody decided that it was fine for 60-70% of the group to be white supremacists.

Or maybe it was primarily white supremaists with the 30% non white supremacists ignorant of the implications.

Regardless, from that point FORWARD ,groups who continue to associate themselves positively with the initial UniteTheRight grouping should expect a broad paintbrush.

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For example, *this* militia group made the right move and issued a statement firmly breaking any further connection with the unitetheright movement.

That was wise. Others need to do the same.

http://www.3percent.org/

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Someone’s dead. Party’s over.

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You’re in the past. They did it. It happened. Now it’s done. From this point forward, the steps people take indicate what kinds of futures they have, either as individuals or as groups.

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Guilt-by-association.

Having an individualist outlook doesn’t stop the paintbrush from happening. The question is Are you ok with the paint you get painted with?

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Always was. Shouldn’t be that way but when people stand together en masse as one, the actions of one affect all. One reason I don’t do mass group things.

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Now that’s a stretch of logic. He was carrying the same shield as the others. Identifying as part of the fascist group. Does that make the fascist group that attended guilty by association?

It does until they disassociate themselves from him.

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Of course. Those groups that did not agree are starting to disassociate with the Coalition.

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Already said that. I believe there were some genuine confederates there who simply worried about the statue, not about promoting their separate values during that protest.

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What do you see as “both sides”?

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So, you’re saying that people CAN be grouped together rather than treated as individuals.

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That’s the problem. Local statue, local problem, outsiders came in.

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Somebody died. Game over.

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Yes. “carefully crafted ideological battle”. A game. It’s over. Unless you want a police state. This is how you get a police state. Just like this.

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I don’t care if it’s online LARPers spilling over into the streets or conspirators with big money making college age kids fight.

It’s a game. It’s over. Someone died. Each one of us who keeps rooting for teams continues it.

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I don’t know if it’ll go away or not. But it needs to. And no, you’re wrong. As long as there’s an audience rooting for their favorite WWE champions, it continues.

Lots of parties are implicit in the continuation. Will they stop? Likely not for a while.

But eventually, yes. I’m starting now.

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Listen to yourself: [Group is innocent because] individual did [x]”.
Which group is innocent? Which groups?

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There are other reasons to find other members of the rally as unpleasant individuals, regardless of consequences.

But there were consequences. Playtime’s done. Anybody associated with the man who drove his car into the crowd needs to do something to prevent their futures from being wrecked.

That’s all I’m saying.

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“Dude, I was just there for the statue man. Nobody should’ve died man. I’m done with this Unite the Right shit man. Done

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Carry the same banner, acting as one. It’s not JFK.

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I know. That’s why those that weren’t are starting to disassociate and rightly so.

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You’re arguing a ghost. I don’t fault local people for fighting for a statue and all it represents. That’s their right.

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I dismiss Trump quickly because he’s been speaking only to 1/2 the country most of the time. Then he spoke for the whole country for one speech. I was impressed he mouthed the words and did it like a real leader.

The next day, he backtracks on what he said.
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Now, continuing the local thing:

Local areas have to make changes based on community standards.

One county away from me is named Lee County. Why? Robert E. Lee of course.

Just like Charlottesville had their own decision to make, so too does Lee County, FL.

I don’t want people pouring down here wrecking the area, bring their fights here. Nobody does.

This is why it needs to stop. I don’t want this shit here. Let locals deal with local things.

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I don’t want some asshole from Ohio coming with his stupid group with idiotic little black shields shouting whatever has nothing to do with a local statue situation and running into a group of people with his car.

It’s got to end.

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It ends it for me. One county away from me is Lee County, FL, named after Robert E. Lee. We don’t want some assholes from Ohio coming down with little shields bringing their fights with them and running into people with cars.

Local problems should be dealt with locally. They’re not stupid enough here to open the doors up I hope. If they are, the team I root for will be the National Guard.

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Yup. You want sympathy you got to be willing to get hurt for your cause.

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