What amazes me is how much RESISTANCE there is to it.

What amazes me is how much RESISTANCE there is to it.

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So much hot air spent on WHY SHOULD X HAVE TO APOLOGIZE WHEN…

Way more of that than anything. It’s hysterical.

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Idiotic or standard? Why should anybody have to apologize?
http://political-apologies.wlu.ca/details.php

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It’s almost as if apologies actually DO carry a moral currency value.

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I see it as a moral currency all on its own.

Sometimes “I’m sorry” is meaningless. Sometimes it’s meaningful. It’s a moral currency whose value is negotiated among parties involved.

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Look at the different value levels of “I’m sorry”.

If an intentional crime is committed, say, a rape, and the attacker says “I’m sorry”, what value is that in moral currency compared to hiccuping at the wrong time during a play and saying “Sorry”?

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Know who you’re going into business with.

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Apologizing for war crimes is pretty standard fare in world politics.

I don’t know what the hubbub is about.

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Spain apologizing to Mexico is NOT like apologizing to a vindictive ex-partner.

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That’s your viewpoint and that’s fine. But actions of a corporation vs actions of an individual with limited lifespans can’t be directly compared.

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Nation is akin to a corporation. Also, this apology is between Mexico and Spain and the Pope.

Pope dd his part 3 years ago. Spain has not yet. USA isn’t involved

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Is there a NEVER-APOLOGIZE principle I’m missing here?

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Still called Britain. Same legal entity. Acting in its name.

I’m not who I was 20 years ago or two minutes ago. What’s a cutoff?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England existed from 927 – 1707.

Its legal obligations absorbed into Great Britain after the union with Scotland.

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Trump is a nobody. US Constitution is strong and will easily survive current bullshit. I don’t have to like it though.

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“Are we going to demand apologies from Italy for the atrocities committed by the Roman empire?”

Not from Italy. Roman empire ceased as a legal entity around 5AD, although the Byzantine empire carried it until 29 May 1453.

So, you could have asked for an apology from a long time frame.

If you want it today?

You have to determine who carries the legal burden.

Mehmed has the strongest claim. “He founded a political system that survived until 1922 with the establishment of the Republic of Turkey. ”

So, you missed out again for that apology.

I’d say that the Roman Empire ended in 1922

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This is the last Emperor of the Roman Empire, a fact you won’t likely see in European or American textbooks.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_VI
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 Change is made where the pain is felt.
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 Apologies are a moral currency.
The fact that there is such great resistance to apologizing shows recognition of this value.
It’s not always meaningless as the value is negotiated in each transaction.
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 Hold on: I’m wrong. Succession continued in exile until 1977.THIS is the final Roman Emperor.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_Abdulaziz
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 Why? Because it was asked for ,from one representative to another representative.
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Wait… Wikipedia is missing gaps. The Roman Emperor lives.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCndar_Ali_Osman
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 Part of understanding history is acknowledging roles.
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 But Ertugrul had no political ambition and lived a modest life in NYC in a flat above a restaurant.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8273396.stm
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 “Had events been otherwise his title would have been grander still: His Imperial Majesty Grand Sultan Osman V, Emperor of the Ottomans, Caliph of Islam. As it was, the man who would have been the 45th head of the continent-spanning Ottoman dynasty, founded by Osman I in 1299, lived on the third floor of a rent-controlled flat in New York and was content to be known as plain old Osman. “So Brendan FitzPatrick – had you REALLY WANTED an apology for the atrocities of the Roman Empire, you could have hopped over to NYC, tracked down “Imperial Majesty Grand Sultan Osman V, Emperor of the Ottomans, Caliph of Islam”, known as Osman, and simply asked.
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 https://www.nytimes.com/…/not-quite-a-castle-but-its…“But the empire isn’t coming back. “I’m a very practical person,” said the prince, trim, sharp and well dressed at 93. “Democracy works well in Turkey.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/realestate/not-quite-a-castle-but-its-home.html
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 This is amazing. ” Because he claimed to be a citizen of the Ottoman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire did not exist, he refused the passport of any nation. For years, he traveled with a homemade passport, and then a permit issued by the United States government. Incredibly, that worked for decades,”
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But he’s having a far rougher time right now.
 https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2017/01/10/new-heir-to-the-former-ottoman-throne-witnesses-horrors-of-syrian-civil-war-in-damascus’
Oh wow. His wife died and Turkey brought him in to take care of him.
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Oh, but there’s plenty more, usually using the last name Osmanoğlu. They’re all in-line to the throne, should the Ottoman Empire resurface as a legal entity.
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 Here’s food for thought: You’d like everybody to abandon their traditions for the methods you prefer.

Now I happen to like a lot of the very same notions as you… but…

Should you become Caesar of World Rome, would you implement your notion?

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