Usually people who say that: a) had to do it so now EVERYBODY should have to or b) are too old to be affected by it and it’s always easy to tell OTHER people what to do when it’s stuff you won’t have to do.

Usually people who say that: a) had to do it so now EVERYBODY should have to or b) are too old to be affected by it and it’s always easy to tell OTHER people what to do when it’s stuff you won’t have to do.

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Counter take: If you are too old to have to do it yourself, you shouldn’t get a say.

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You have that free choice. Allow others the same.‘

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Bootcamp is an all too common place for people to discover they have a mental illness. They crack a person’s personality open, remold and shape into a particular singular image.

Doesn’t work on a lot of people and it’s a painful process from what I’ve seen.

I watched my friend’s son’s letters to home. The handwriting changing month to month to month, getting sloppier and sloppier, more and more frantic.

Then no letters for a few months. Suddenly, his letters home were perfect handwriting, spelling, content. Visited home an entirely different person.

Is that for everybody? No. Not even most people.

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he is. He was obsessed with FPS and wanted a part of it. It was NOTHING what he thought, nothing at all what he was told. Nothing like movies or video games. Nothing like stories people told him.

But he hated himself. So, it was his way out.

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More food for thought:
Compulsory schooling starts at 5 yrs old.
For 12 years you are forced against your will to be a part of a system within which you have no say, no control, have to follow orders and be stuck with a bunch of random people in the same boat.

NOW you want to give them more of the same?

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It works great for some. I got the literature at 16 and debated for 14 seconds maybe. Navy. Technical. But I hate boats and physically I doubt I’d have qualified. Plus, my brother went navy and they wanted to crack his jaw so he’d fit in a standard diving mask. He was gonna do it ’til he saw a guy drinking food out of a straw. So, he got out.

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Dealing directly with the public in any capacity and you see EVERYTHING – and learn a level of patience and calm you never thought you had. It’s amazing.

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I was never and I’m still not a team player so it wouldn’t have worked. I’ll do anything asked of me but social teamwork / cooperation / knowing the minds of your team is a skill I lack and I doubt could be taught to me.

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I think you’re romanticizing the way things work tbh.

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Much better hill.. I’m all for civic duty of some kind, but military was never my thing.

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Nvr liked that part of war. Old men push buttons ordering boys to die. Not a good scene.

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It’s how you worded the hill. “Choice” is the right counter argument. Choice = freedom. Voluntary. A very American thing to want to defend. I think a lot of people got it right.

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Of course. But it’s not wrong. I’d be ok with a fascist style required community service but not a military requirement.

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et, I still think a fascist style community service requirement is antithetical to American ideals but I also feel that way about compulsory schooling but that’s not going anywhere and perhaps it shouldn’t.

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“A military is a force authorized to use lethal or deadly force and weapons to support the interests of the state “

That’s not the same as community service. It can be construed as such and yes there are community service elements to military, but the purpose of military is not identical.

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