Troll culture’s different now though. 1997 had flamers (trolls then) but it wasn’t the same. There weren’t as many people online and they weren’t organized. If one person was trolling, it was *one person*. They didn’t call their friends in for help. It wasn’t part of trolling culture. But trolling culture changed. They *developed* a culture, which didn’t really exist much before, not en masse.

Troll culture’s different now though. 1997 had flamers (trolls then) but it wasn’t the same. There weren’t as many people online and they weren’t organized.

If one person was trolling, it was *one person*. They didn’t call their friends in for help. It wasn’t part of trolling culture.

But trolling culture changed. They *developed* a culture, which didn’t really exist much before, not en masse.

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It’s different though. Did they run in packs in Usenet and AOL and forums? Sometimes. But it’s much different now. Everything changed around 2011 when they left their caves and came out on the more common internet.

Social movements aren’t new. Online has been used for social movements from the beginning. I remember mailing lists and Usenet groups and people would organize for positive change and stuff, including Anonymous-style hacking groups-for-good as well as underground hacker culture for other reasons.

But it’s different now. The large amounts of people in common causes with groupthink in troll culture is massive. What was once effective in dealing with trolls no longer is.

That said, I think they’re weakening as a social force BECAUSE they’re so commonplace now. They’ve lost their edge.

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Heydey of troll culture was probably 2011 to mid-2016.

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I assumed the OP implied only internet trolls because Internet is stated there.

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Talks about trolls then says “get off the internet”, implying that getting off the internet will solve your troll problem. Hence, internet trolls only.

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It’s decoding a sentence and using deduction to reach conclusions. Maybe I’m wrong. But it’s the stuff my 6th grade nephew was doing this past year… and better than me too. [I suck at inference, “what is the authors intent?” stuff]. But this OP isn’t hard to decode.

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That said, a discussion about trolls in a wider sense *is* a fascinating topic that I’d love to explore.

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Switch the subject to the perfect audience member: ORIGINAL:
“If you still think bitching at trolls works in 2017… you might wanna spend less time on the Internet and get back to whatever you were doing before.”

AUDIENCE:

I think bitching at trolls works in 2017. I spent a lot of time on the internet bitching at trolls in 2017. I think it is very effective [at what? missing information] and therefore it is better than whatever i was doing before I was on the internet, bitching at trolls.

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There is definitely a key piece of information that is missing from the OP.

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It’s a starting point that requires no outside information.

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Balanced. If you take the context entirely away from the sentence and it is the only information you have to work with, you can recreate an audience member that perfectly matches up to what was stated.

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There’s a missing piece of information though. By restructuring the grammar, I noticed it. [the effective/ineffective thing]. What’s implied to fit in there?

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Logically, the argument states: “[You believe] This works. [I believe] This doesn’t work. [I believe] You should not do the thing you think works because it does not work.

But works at what?

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“Having a life” is the only thing I can think of that might fit there. Some kind of moral judgement?

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Ah! “Effective use of your time”. I think that’s what fits there.

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“I think bitching at trolls works in 2017. I spent a lot of time on the internet bitching at trolls in 2017. I think it is a very effective use of my time and therefore it is better than whatever i was doing before I was on the internet, bitching at trolls.”

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You did. You generalized to all trolls and that to make a statement about trolls that is only true in 2017 is ridiculous because there have been trolls across all human time.

That’s my reading anyway. It makes sense. I see it as a separate discussion topic but I can see how you get there from here.

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Now that you’re here – what *did* you imply was bitching at trolls was ineffective for in the OP?

I had a couple of ideas but that part was unclear.

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