Those in charge of a society may *believe* utopia is possible

The OP is interesting but I suppose I’m excessively pragmatic:

Those in charge of a society may *believe* utopia is possible and guaranteed but I cannot imagine a situation where a known, guaranteed Utopia wasn’t just something that seemed great on paper but in reality would cause unforeseen problems.

Limiting civil liberties for a greater good is fine when there is consensus, but if the PROCESS is forced and does not have consensus, there will be war of some kind.

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