Sadly the truth. At least Trump is moldable: He did it to get his kids into politics so that they have a safe future against a stagnant economy. There’s always $ in politics. So, Kennedy, Bush, now Trump.
Even when he gets ousted somehow for Pence, his kids will have solid political futures because his branding will now be solid politically.
Watching Eric Trump (I think it was Eric?) giving his speech at the RNC, he was using JFK hand motions. Lots of practice in the mirror for that one. But he’s more green than Trump is. But if Trump is smart (and he’s not stupid), he’ll listen to Obama and other political leaders (including Clinton) so that he doesn’t f’ things up for his kids’ political futures.
Oh absolutely. But “Sharper Image” style things are out. He sucks as a businessman. So, he’s trying politics. He appealed to a class of ppl that normally get ignored during most elections by most politicians – he lit them on fire by appealing to whatever they wanted to hear. They signed on the dotted line and now he’ll compromise his way out of every promise. [if he wants to stay in office]. If he doesnt, he’s done for.
Mistake #1 Believing a guy who says “I’m not a politician’.
#2: Believing everything the “not-a-politician” says during campaigning.
#3: oh I could go on. But it’s kinda good. We’ve been saying around here (a bunch of us voted Clinton here), that we almost hope Trump wins ’cause his core will see that got sold a lemon. But just wait and enjoy the butthurt coming.
Sure. Already he’s learning the ropes. He’s not been that good at politics before (3rd/4th try here), but he’s learning. It was obvious to anyone who dealt with his kind before that, like all politicians, none of the promises made will be kept. They don’t have to be. Just need the vote. Now that he’s in, he’ll shift and change and morph into a guy that looks and acts Presidential.
His core mostly won’t notice it and others will be like, “Oh good, he was just selling”.
He’s helping his family get a Bush / Kennedy type political future. Sharper Image stuff doesn’t sell anymore. But politics is always a way to make $$$. His kids’ futures will be secure now. You think he did it for you
You don’t know sales or politics well.
Oh definitely, but for now, mostly his adult kids. And that’s iffy — we don’t know his true financial picture. Worldwide economy has been in trouble for some time. But politics will always be a way for rich ppl to have security for their families.’
She might, although I think he’s more concerned with the boys’ future. Have you seen them? Yeah, they need a little help from daddy here.
His advisors are all gonna suck. But the good thing is, the institutions that are in existence now aren’t going anywhere. It’s all a show. He always surrounds himself by idiots so that he looks smarter. Thats his MO.
same. never understood leadership worship. They do what they do where they do it for themselves and throw us a bone now and again.
True. He compromised on LBGTQ, he’s compromises on Obamacare. He’s starting to listen to politicians with more experience than his. [he’s only run for president 3 times, never actually won an office yet and now he has].
So these are good things.
they’re protesting. You can work to flip the electorate as they’re trying to before Mid December. There’s things you can do.
oh dude, the Dow is just a normal response to the 9 day email downturn and the HISTORIC drop after Trump was elected.
It’s a temp high. There’s no indicators that it’ll rise any further. People snapped up cheap stocks and this is the response. It’s going to drop again b4 xmas for sure, and b4 thanksgiving most likely.
Pence has the full backing of the evangelicals. He’s their prize in the crackerjack box (no pun intended). Congress being Red or Blue almost doesn’t matter in that they like keeping power for themselves. So, Trump will have to learn how to play with them, or else.
Trump has to play CENTER and quickly. He’s already doing it.
He’s fundamentally a liberal New Yorker. As that comes out more and more, I suspect his fandom won’t even notice it. He’s good at sales and closing a sale.
I’m contrary but I always have “let’s find common ground ultimately” guy. But I can go back and forth for hours on things too if that’s one someone likes. Either way.
Source of pasta hotdog rumors that weren’t needed ’cause the FBI’s smoke blowing worked instead?
Oh that. Well, it is. WE have what, 31 govs, house and senate majorities, a sorta-republican pres-elect and a justice seat to fill.
But I’m not concerned. Infighting is an amazingly powerful force. People don’t like giving up power they’re used to. They’re not about to act-as-one in concert. They rarely do even when they’re a majority.
When they do? It’s in a pseudoconservative way ala Rush Limbaugh.
Old Conservatives are long dead and gone.
Republicans have BEEN the Establishment for a long time. How far have they gotten? Having a matching exec + and extra Justice isn’t going to fix them.
They couldn’t even block Obama and Congress is ALWAYS more powerful than the exec. They blew it time and time again.
Then when they DID veto something, it was the stupid thing. Yeah, I’m hoping Trump learns compromise quick otherwise Congress will be running the show. Ugh.
You can be a true believer Rhodes. It’s nice to see them in this election cycle. Sanders + Trump brought out true believers in a lot of ppl.
But politics is politics is politics. Just don’t be too butthurt. You did your job to get him in. He’s in. Now it’s Washtington’s turn to show him the ropes.
It will be. His positions are un-doable, politically and financially impossible. He’s also a salesman and a politician. When has a salesman or a politician delivered on the promises? Once the sale is made, well, the sale is made. They’re not responsible for their campaign promises. He’ll throw you a bone now and again – but if he tries to follow through with the heavy sale he made and make it reality? He won’t last more than a few months up there. Washington is brutal. Politics is brutal.
He’s not in charge anymore.
You’ll see a little bit of what he promised. sure. It’ll be like the 59 seconds of passing out food at that disaster site. A good show. He’ll put on a good show.
But heres the thing Rhodes: If you REALLY want him to follow through on promises, youll have to do to him what I was prepared to do for clinton
Hold him to it.
In fact, your job and responsibility now is harder I just have to sit back and respond. I don’t have to hold him to his promises because I didn’t WANT his promises.
but, you did. YOu have your local house + senate rep. You got ppl you can call and write to.
“He promises us [x] – you better hold him to it or i’m not re-electing you in 2018″. Stuff like that. I don’t have to do any of that. It’s your party, your responsibility.
Doesn’t matter to me if you are or aren’t. Just sayin’ the sale’s closed and he doesn’t need you guys anymore. If you WANT him to need you, then you already know what you gotta do.
Sitting back in a ‘daddy said so so he’ll do it’ attitude will get you whatever he gives you.
He’s said he liked surround himself by people that are stupider than him so he looks smarter. One glance around who he surrounded himself with during his campaign is proof enough.
So he’ll have a doofus cabinet so he looks smarter when he goes against their advice.
I’d rather the Electoral college remain. It gives extra power to the midwestern states but they have low populations, so it avoids tyranny of the cities to dominate.
indeed. most of the campaign rhetoric is dying down on all sides and some reality is starting to settle in. I dont’ think Trump supporters expected a win. So, now they gotta get to work on real politics (which isn’t campaigning) if they want their chosen person to keep to his promises. Otherwise, he’ll just do whatever he does.
Problem is – his policies keep disappearing off the site already. More will disappear as he learns how things really go in Washington.
That’s why I’m not worried about him as President. He’s already learning that compromise is the way to go and already knew, like all politicians that he doesn’t have to hold to any of his promises made while campaigning.
I know Donald Trump’s type. I’m not worried though. It’s not up to me that he keeps his promises.
It’s up to you to hold him to them.
Honestly though, I’d prefer you continue the daddy’ll fix everything attitude. He’s already compromising on Obamacare, the LBGTQ thing – more’s coming. He’s a liberal NYer at heart. So, I don’t worry. He’ll do fine as my President.
Fact is Mike, you won. Congrats! Now the job’s up to you. Not me.
This is what’s awesome about a Trump win. You’re the establishment now. Good luck. Don’t mess my country up.
Nicely done (y) Hope all your wishes and dreams come true. I was ready to hold Clinton to her promises. But, that ain’t my problem now. I just have to wait and see.
http://www.whoismyrepresentative.com/ – if you trust him, you don’t have to lift a finger. But if you don’t, there’s your reps. Convince them to stand by the policies that matter to you, and maybe you’ll get to see them come true.
I was ready with mine for the first time in my life ’cause I didn’t trust her even though I voted for her. But now, well, I’m repeating myself.
Thing is though, Trump will need the support of Congress to achieve anything. [he can’t magically executive order everything]. If it mattes to you, well, I’m not gonna tell you what to do. Campaign time is over. Politics starts now.
My attitude is like Buffett’s here: Mind you, I don’t have a problem with the #NotMyPresident protests and stuff – they can do that if they like.
But now that the past 18 months are over and finished and completed, President Trump is what I’ll be saying from the time he’s inaugurated ’til the time he leaves office. Some people might not and that’s fine too I knew people that NEVER accepted President Obama, and still others who never accepted President Bush. But I always accept my President. Of course I’ll disagree when I think they’re wrong but still the office deserves my respect. So, once he’s in, he’ll get it.
Thank you Peter. I think the reason why I’m saying all the things I’m saying now to you guys is that, even though *I* don’t want him to enact these things he promised, you guys do.
It may seem hard to believe after all of the back and forth rhetoric but I believe fully in the process. While I didn’t vote in the primaries (not allowed in my state ’cause I’m not going Democrat just for one guy), I was with Sanders in spirit.
He lost then he said, “Stand behind her (’cause I have a plan here)”. I thought about it and it seemed like a logical, politically viable plan.
So I did – and, after a valiant battle to the last moment, she lost. It was as “fair and square” as any insane, mudslinging, game playing, political mauevering election cycle that I’ve ever seen.
I had about 5 seconds of, “Oh, damn!” and then, “Ok, so that’s how it went then”. Instant acceptance. I’m a white male and have nothing to fear from his Presidency. It’s a good thing to be in the USA.
This is our system and this is how it works. I stand down and get behind the winner of the contest.
My job is done. I don’t have to keep my President to his promises because I didn’t want them. He does what he does and all I have to do is respond somehow. But to those that want what he promised, jobs on you guys.
In a way, being the loser in a political battle is far easier. I can gripe, shake my fist at “the Establishment” for four years.
But now that you guys are “the Establishment”, well, you get to establish it.
He seems to be surrounding himself by not-so-bright people so he looks smarter. I *suspect* he’ll keep them around so he can say, “Even though my Secretary of Education, Ben Carson says *this*, I read the reports myself and I’m going to do _this_ instead”.
Hopefully he’s wise enough to listen to smart people. I suspect he will be. He clearly wants a political future for his kids and have a Kennedy/Bush like Trump dynasty for them.
but I suspect before he gets a chance to let Washington teach him things, they might decide they want Pence better.
That’s my thoughts regarding Pence as well. Still though, he embodies everything the republican congress _say_ they believe in. But maybe even for them, Pence might just be a step too far.
Good thing about Trump, he’s already learning the ropes. He’s wet behind the ears and now that he’s won, he’s already starting to listen and compromise. I kinda feel bad for his core supporters, except they probably won’t notice when he starts modifying/eliminating his campaign promises.
Then again, there’s always that slim chance that he’s sincere, in which case the checks + balances will (hopefully) keep most major damages. [Congress has a little more muscle than Exec, and they like to keep their powers as much as possible, so I can’t imagine them readily agreeing to every Trump request. Of course, I’ve been wrong before, so…..]
It’s not changing the rules though. Some electorates _do_ have the power to change their original choice. It’s not against the rules. There’s room for it in the system itself. They have 30 days or so to make a difference in the minds of a few Electorates. Maybe they will, probably they won’t. But it’s their protest, not mine. I wouldn’t stop them from trying either. It’s their right.
Remember when Trump said, “What have you got to lose?” Well, apparently, they thought about it.
Bernie probably wasn’t their pick. Clinton was. Bernie didn’t appeal to a lot of people. Too “white savior” not enough down in the trenches. Whatever their reasons – he wasn’t their pick. Clinton was.
I have it easy: While I couldn’t vote for Sanders (not going Democrat for one guy), I was behind him in spirit.
Then? He lost. He said, “Get behind Clinton (because I have a plan and it’s good)” and it was. I liked it. So, I voted for Clinton.
She lost. So, come January, I’ll be saying President Trump, hoping he’ll backslide on everything and his liberal NY values will shine through.
I have it easy. But Trump supporters have to keep him to his promises. I don’t have to because I expect him to learn to be a politicians in order to secure a political future for his kids: a Bush / Kennedy dynasty but with Trump.
But apparently a lot of people WON’T have it so easy as much. What you think of as “sour grapes” might be them fighting for their very existence in the future of this country. If Trump keeps to his promises (which i doubt but he might), a lot of people will be severely negatively affected.
If we’re talking race, most black voters are women. 3:1 ratio I believe. Here’s a _mother_ and _grandmother_ getting into office for the first time. A tough women who has dealt with a Congress who hated her for 30 years.
There’s no denying Clinton is a strong woman. She’s also well connected. Well connected people get things accomplished in politics. Poorly connected people get used and abused by the system. She wouldn’t get used and abused.
This is what I think was attractive to them about her. I could be wrong but this is what I think.
To me, all Wikileaks did is this: expose everyday politics. Notice there was no Wikileaks of the RNC? Imagine what that would look like?
We can’t. They didn’t do one.
But if they did, I bet money it’d look almost exactly the same.
You have a realistic outlook then That’s a good thing ’cause, well, the campaigning is over now, and it’s Washington’s opportunity to decide his fate. Congress always has slightly more muscle than the executive branch and there’s more than a few hints that Congress prefers Pence over Trump. Considering they always seem “impeachment happy”, it’s something to consider if he has promises you want him to keep.
As far as I’m concerned, both parties are center, including Trump. He just played with the midwestern sensibilities to ensure his rich white city slicker butt can secure a solid political future for his family so they can survive the upcoming stagnation of the economy. In times of austerity, politicians always do well, even when businessmen fail.
But, that’s my take.
Elections aren’t rigged. They used every trick in their book but in the end, the elections aren’t rigged.
Our system is powerful and is ultimately honest, despite all of the dishonest tricks politicians play.
Everybody’s watching everybody else so that nobody cheats *too* much.
Back in the 80s, my mom worked for a govt office. One day, they had a BIG drug bust and they were inviting the Press to take pictures.
Now, how many guards were there to guard the drugs on the tables?
both to watch the drugs.
one to watch the other.