There is no wealth gene. There is no political gene.

There is no wealth gene.
There is no political gene.


You started with a flawed premise and are shifting the goals as you go. Is this winning?


You’re arguing that genetics correlates to wealth and IQ based upon statistical analysis of populations.

Am I right or wrong?


I don’t buy it. Your reach is too far for grasping.

Here: I have MY DNA in a database that connects with every verified report on specific genetic components on whatever topic might be under study.

Nothing about wealth or politics. Zero.

But I’ll look up intelligence. This is live data here.


Here is a sample. It’s possible that some of those links to genes and intelligence that are in your studies are now suspect.

SNAP25 gene. Look that up.


Oh cool. Says risk of “lack of empathy”.

I took a real, standard, empathy quotient test and came up JUST into the zone of little/no empathy.

This is true. I have empathy galore BUT I can turn it off.


This isn’t about offense. It’s about facts. I care that bad notions are passed off as facts.


This is from the study that’s now suspect due to flawed methodology.
What originally said:

” In this study of ~300 Caucasians, the (T;T) genotype appeared to typically have a 4 point higher IQ than the (A;T) genotype, which had a 4 point higher IQ (on average) than the (A;A) genotype”

is now:

“In 2009, a large, multi-sample replication study failed to find any significant association with Intelligence for this or other SNPs in CHRM2 .”

So the gene that _supposedly_ made caucasian people genetically smarter and passed it down, could not be replicated.

I found it. The original study in 2006 that was found to be flawed.



“there is still almost no replicated evidence concerning the individual genes, which have variants that contribute to intelligence differences”

Yes, small-g is hereditable. But by how much? Is it enough to conclude the links you made at the start and during?



Interestingly, I have all of “the short genes”, but I’m 6′ tall.

Always good to remember: these statistical correlations may be “real” but are indeterminate.


– there’s 10,000 reasons to be proud to be an (caucasian) American. (instead of Roma or any other population)

But this ain’t one of them.

Data does not back up your claims.


It’s a hard narrative to remove. It ties together one’s political stance into one’s country of origin into one’s family history creating a relative stance upon which to place one’s self among the 7.5 billion on the planet.

Anything threatening it is knocked down. It’s reinforced socially in an ongoing basis and despite evidence contradicting it, that evidence is considered tainted due to a perceived political influence.

So, it’s a socially sustained modern mythology.


In short, “a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still”.


“The effect of consanguineous marriage on reading disability in the Arab community” does not belong there.

It is a small scale dyslexia study among a small population that is not cross comparison.

You would need a similar study of consanguineous offspring among caucasian Texans to make a proper cross cultural comparison between Texan consanguineous offspring and Arab population in Israel in dyslexia to even hope to have a bit of evidence of anything.

Note that this researcher’s access is limited to “at hand” population.


Now that pilot study? It’s population.

This is likely distinct from settled population.


I _think_ that ALL of these studies are of a SINGLE, very small population.


The Bedouin are an unprotected group in Israel, which is probably why these experiments are so readily doable there.


I’m just using logic and reason and following the evidence.

I’m not “anti biological intelligence”: I just have seen scant proof of it that wasn’t quickly overturned by more substansative studies.


Oh I uploaded my 23andme data to a bunch of places. This one is anonymous and free – – and it cross references your DNA with DNA studies and assigns probabilities of things.


23andme and others allow you to download a TXT file.

Mine is 16mb.

It contains the raw genetic data they tested for in a format that some places can read.

When I wanted to relate my answers in this conversation to my own DNA, I uploaded my file to them, they read it, and gave me a lot to look at.

When I close the tab, they delete my file.

It uses European privacy standards which are VERY tough compared to USA (which is sloppy), so I trust it as much as anything can be trusted online πŸ™‚


I know that 23andme sold my data / uses it, etc. I agreed to it when I spit in the tube and mailed it in.


GedMatch is another amazing resource that works with all the DNA testers.

What I love is that you can access ALL of the “other ways” to calculate your ancestry. So, if you don’t like what AncestryDNA tells you, you can push your data through any of a dozen other algorithms used to determine ancestry.

The thing about your DNA and these matchings? They’re only REALLY valid for a few hundred years.

The stuff going back thousands of years is a lot of piecework.

So for me, it’s a ‘just for fun” thing.


But, if you’re concerned about them selling or abusing your DNA results somehow, just don’t get it done πŸ™‚ But I’m enjoying what I’m learning.

I also put a significant amount of work into my FamilySearch and also geni – unrelated to DNA directly.

Geni is the site that pieced together the world’s largest family tree.

I have enough in mine that if you give me one of your far off relative’s name and location, I can PROBABLY tell you how I’m related to you.



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