The people at the extremes are being reigned in as they expose themselves freely and are shamed.
The internet alt right is as large in numbers as it ever was, but having a “win” in the White House has been demoralizing because now there’s no excuses for their glorious revolution to take place.
But they expected daddy to do it all and he can’t. Now a number of them are angry at the firing of Bannon because *he* was the one that held their core values in the White House more than Trump, who is more of a moment to moment opportunist.
Most I’ve known were “ironic” supporters, hoping for a little bloodshed and action movie to keep them from their impending doom they feel when they’re alone and afraid.
But I’ve known a few true believers that held off ’til Bannon. They’re GENUINELY pissed because they _really_ believed it. I guess those were the “Bernie bros” or whatever that faction was called? I dunno.
You’ll be seeing a LOT more of him now that he’s out. I don’t think he’ll ever shut up now. He’s still on his mission and he’ll likely work ‘from the outside’ to see things happen that he wants.
Yeah. They’re the ‘true believer’ personalities. They want a white identity but don’t know how to construct it.
It’s not forced. It’s a natural part of all those kids being the same age, being raised in identity politics mindsets.
It’s part of culture now.
I’m not talking specifically about the alt right now but about the bernie bros all over the political map now.
He said she said, somebody died. Police state on the way. Just keep going into towns where the town says “don’t come here”.
We had our talk. Your politics make sense to me. I have to explain my politics to people a lot too. I look one way but I’m not what they assume.
In most ways, we’re in the same general swath on opposites of a fence. The division between our politics is real but we’re kinds of guys that, if we were trapped in a political situation and had to come up with a mutually agreeable solution, it’d be simple.
I don’t care what they say. Ram cars into a crowd like a terrorist (see Barcalona three days later), and my sympathies go to zero on that.
What’s an outgroup? That’s my answer.
I know what an outgroup is. I know very well. I’m usually in an outgroup, but occasionally I’m in an ingroup.
The moment someone agrees with you, in some way, you and they are in the same in group. “Wherever three or more are gathered in my name, I am there” is a social phenomenon too. Replace Jesus with whatever the common ideology where there’s consensus. That’s an ingroup, instantly created.
Has little to do with what label you stick on your label.
That one quote from Jesus is why I see religions everywhere I go.
I always felt more at home with people not from around me. My home town? I never felt close to them. Always felt an outsider.
I don’t understand sports mentalities entirely. I understand the righteous indignation you get when you blanket a picture of an enemy (whether the other team or antifa or nazi or liberals or alt right) and how that creates a fervor among those who agree with each other within that same group…
…but I don’t like it and I see it as a form of group mental illness.
“If you ignore it, it’ll go away” doesn’t work unfortunately.
The problem rose BECAUSE the rising surge of previously fringe ideologies was ignored by governments and media for far too long.
I’d been studying the alt right for almost two years by the time mainstream media said the words “alt right”. I was shocked when they did.
It’s also when I stopped studying them because now I knew others would do it too… and botch it, as they did… but at least it wasn’t “this shiny thing” I found and was studying anymore.
It’s time they went. Somebody died over a statue. A statue. Communities have been slowly removing them for years themselves because it no longer reflects their general values as communities.
It grew in popularity now because communities that have them NOW have to worry about people from other states coming in to ‘DEFEND’ the statue, but who aer instead bringing their own ideologies along with them… and bad news results.
Whether it bubbled up from below or is engineered from above, it needs to stop. If it doesn’t, we get a police state. This is how we get a police state. I don’t want a police state.
The ones that show up at marches are idiots. But there’s a lot more, dwelling in basements, waiting for their Glorious Daddy leader to do everything for them.
There’s a reason why the KKK wore hoods. I think the new-crew are starting to understand why they did.
Bingo. I have a selfish reason too. One county away from me is “Lee County, FL”. We have General Lee busts there. It’s a local issue. It’s being handled locally in a way that the local community is ok with.
They’ll probably stay because he’s dressed in a business suit and *not* in “high-ho silver away” charge into battle mode.
But whatever they decide it’s up to them.
I don’t want some assholes from Ohio and Reno Nevada coming in with their shields and militia guns and flags stomping around a statue they don’t really give a shit about and blood running in my streets.
I’d actually WELCOME the National Guard to come in to protect free speech if it came to that of course. Gotta protect the citizens of the communities. But…
…if local/state police departments are unable to handle the trouble that comes marching into town, I also have no problem with ANY community saying “No. You’re inciting violence and we don’t want it here and we can’t handle what you want to bring with you.”
It’s like kids fighting in a playground though.
It’s not “who started it” when the grownups come in.
It’s “BREAK IT UP, EVERYBODY GO HOME.” while a kid lies dead in the sand.
The moment an American citizen died during a protest/counterprotest, “who did what to whom” won’t matter much soon.
Well.. I’d trust the National Guard over the police…. depending on what the protest/counterprotetst was about…
The protest wasn’t stopped. They protested. They started late, ended early, it was disorganized, and there were 15,000 other voices together counter-protesting.
Protest / counterprotest is all American and Boston did it right.
and if the “roles were reversed”, it would have still been an excellent example of “done right”.
Nobody got hurt. Nobody got killed.
The remains of the UniteTheRight went to protest in Boston.
Boston didn’t want them and tried to get them to change their minds but they were ready to sue again (although without the ACLU’s help this time because the ACLU said “not again”) and so Boston was like, “Fine. We’ll bring the polie then. Have your protest.”
But their protest was small, disorganized, started late and ended early.
The counter protest on the other hand was large, organized, ready, and peaceful.