That said, I’d go with Byzantium. No Byzantium, no knowledge transfer to the medieval Europeans, no preservation of the ancients, no modern Western Civ.

That said, I’d go with Byzantium. No Byzantium, no knowledge transfer to the medieval Europeans, no preservation of the ancients, no modern Western Civ.

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Western Civ is usually defined as starting with the Greeks (with a small nod to Egypt) so it’s a bit of a snake eating its tail.

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