Selling state secrets to a foreign entity is treason. Someone thinking thoughts you don’t like or making wishes or prayers is not treason.

No. Selling state secrets to a foreign entity is treason. Someone thinking thoughts you don’t like or making wishes or prayers is not treason.

Isn’t the thought police the subject of a George Orwell book?

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Shut up and repeat what the leader wants you to say and you will have true freedom of speech….

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It’s a work of fiction and a cautionary tale. People who are freely talking about the ‘powers that be’ (media, etc) as ‘thought police’ who THEN say “stop complaining, shut up and listen to your leader and give him a chance” are being exactly what they claim to be against.

After all, you were freely talking about others being thought police, so apparently they weren’t doing a good of being thought police at all, if they were.

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He can fail in any number of ways, Kurt.
He can fail to bring about his promises.
He can fail to convince Congress to go his way.
He can fail to convince foreign leaders that he is effective and they instead deal with the diplomats who are trained to deal with them.
He can fail in many ways where the rest of the government takes over his failures and then succeeds in spite of him.

Failure of Trump doesn’t mean failure of USA. He is not the USA.

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If you are unprepared for Trump to fail as President it is you who is not facing reality.

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i hope things work out well for the America, however his reign turns out. Having to live here in America and face the reality of President Trump isn’t something I can blink my eyes away from or wish into success.

Rather, I have to go in with both eyes open: Success for the country and watching carefully the goings on of an unstable government.

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When I’m concerned, I pay attention. When they seem to be doing their job properly, I let them do their job properly.

Zero evidence yet of Trump doing a proper job. So, I’m watching. I watched the actions of sketchy politicians in the past as well. He’s no different in that regard, except he’s louder and more in your face.

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That’s Obama and why he got the prize is beyond me.

Trump started his career in politics this time the moment he announced he was running.

He’s been on the job for 18 months already, as “potential President”. Plenty of time to judge his words and actions so far.

This is his third time running for President. This time he got further than the other two times. So, I’m waiting to see.

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A guy who runs for President is a politician. He can *say* he’s not 1000 times. He can have his people say he’s not 1000 times. He can convince people that hes not a politician.

But: he’s a politician. He’s of the plain-spoken, “aw shucks!” type. What makes him different? He’s still campaigning even though he won. That part’s weird.

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We just sent troops into Poland. Just because Trump is cozy with Russia doesn’t mean the rest of the US government is. How much power will he have to change a course that’s been in motion for decades now? We’ll see.

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He doesn’t though. The house and the senate are on an anti-Russia course that started (this time) in June 2016 with a Senate bill that bounced back to the House which then got approved which strengthens Congressional powers *specifically* regarding Russia media tampering and our powers to answer back.

I don’t know or care if there was Russian tampering in any way but fact is, House and Senate and all the intelligence are set on that course.

Also, the Congress has more power than the Executive office.

The best I think he’ll be able to do is disavow himself from the actions of the rest of the US government and say, “I didn’t want this. I didn’t want this – THEY wanted this.”

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Told you Kurt : I don’t know or care if they were or were not honestly. My beliefs don’t matter. The people who have the power to make things happen matter.

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I see no innocents period. It’s politics. It’s always dirty.

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I didn’t pay much attention to Obama’s term, nor to the 2nd half of Bush’s term, so I’ll take your word for it. Noisy Trump forces me to pay attention this time around.

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I grew up with his kind around me. Not only was his name always in the news (in the 1980s/early 90s, then he seemed to disappear) but his ‘way of thinking was _everywhere_.

What do I see when he talks? Middle management. Standard US corporate middle management. I’ve dealt with a ton of them through the years. He’s nothing special.

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The intelligence agencies never should’ve gone under a single umbrella. The “Homeland Security” idea was a mistake from the start. They should be splintered again.

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That’s part of Bush’s legacy. He was shooting for a leaner, meaner government. Didn’t work.

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You asked me what I don’t like about him. I don’t like middle management. They come in with a big “show of power”. “I’m the new boss here”. They do a lot of firings. They hire their friends. Office politics of a new crew. They try to change EVERYTHING while the people who actually _get work done_ just sigh and suffer through efficiency reports, reporting what they do every 15 fucking minutes, “efficiency experts” come in and hack and slash.

Then there’s skeleton crew with extra work piled on them, which they do not a good job at.

Before you know it, a few years goes by, and the hot-shots are eventually gone, more employees are hired, and the company recouperates to being functional again.

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e’s richer than me and probably you. But his show of money doesn’t impress me. He was showing off his wealth in the early 90s when suddenly it’s discovered that he’s dead broke. BEYOND dead broke.

He was living on credit fumes and they ran out. His creditors wanted to be paid back. But that’s another story.

He’s all about the “show” but the substance is lacking.

Where I grew up there were a lot of Italian mafia bosses not that far away.

They had big flashy homes, flashy cars, their own planes.

They were rich, sure. But they were always scrambling for more because they were spending it faster than they brought it in. One bad move and they were broke overnight, everything lost. But they’d keep the show going and attempt to make people believe they still had money long enough to get a loan or two so they could keep things running. Over and over again they’d repeat the pattern.

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He also reminds me of “Joe Isuzu” – a 1980s icon of TV advertising. His whole job was to lie to your face with a smile and do so convincingly.

All politicians, including Trump, do that. His angle is that he’s the ‘plain speaking’ type. The guy that pats you on the back and says, “trust me buddy. I understand you and I got your back. I hate who you hate.” while picking your pocket and saying “Free of charge!” out of his mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUBm0XQbqA

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When he announced he wasn’t going to take a salary, I knew for sure what the game was. It’s an old con game.

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