ownership lol. of COURSE you don’t actually own anything. That’s just how things have always been. Pay taxes anyway ’til you can find another planet.

ownership lol. of COURSE you don’t actually own anything. That’s just how things have always been. Pay taxes anyway ’til you can find another planet.

Ok. You die right? What happens to your stuff? Who is responsible?

Or property: What gives you property rights? Who enforces property rights?

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Most importantly: What is Real Estate?
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  I got a mortgage + a 2nd property too. Gotta pay tax. Bank owns house + land ’til we’re done. We “own” the other property.But how much does Title give? A lot, but not everything. Far from.
 There’s many onion skin layers of property rights. Your ownership is but the smallest part.
  I want to drill a 5 mile deep hole for minerals. Can’t. Why? Clean title doesn’t give mining rights.Why not? Because below ground, actions affect others in a larger space than your property encompasses.Theoretically? Real Estate extends to the center of the planet and stops and goes up into space as far as the eye can see.Realistically, it extends 3 feet below ground level and about 20 feet above your house.Your clean title doesn’t cover the extensions.
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  You have a water table below 3 feet. Who is responsible for the water table?You have air space above. Who is responsible?
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 If you want ownership of ALL that vertical space, you’ll need a lot more money than what you pay for what you get.
  Not completely invalid at all. It’s important that you understand it and you do. Now I can move down to what you’re talking about.
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  For residential, you have services. You argue DIY. We have spots here with privately owned roads and such, usually communities of people with similar ideas as you. They consequently pay less taxes but not 0.
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 You don’t own it. It’s allotted to you on a number of conditions you agree to when you reach ownership. It’s called “owning” but it’s not. It’s just as close to owning you or I could get.
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 That’s right. Of course you don’t own it, just as we don’t have full bodily autonomy etc.
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  I always saw it your way. My first comment says that. It’s just part of adulting to realize it.
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  It’s like finding out Santa’s not real. It sucks, sure.
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What’s a win to you?
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  I didn’t ask to be born is a no-win situation. Can’t change that.
I didn’t ask to be born on a land with 1000 yr old English Common Law (modified) rights. Can’t change that.
So, what do you want to change? How far do you want it to go and where are you satisfied?
Yeah, that’s right. That’s in the papers you signed and law of the land (literally). Someone should’ve told me about arbitrator clause in my Credit card statements years back too.18+ theres lots of learning, most of it after-the-fact.But good luck there. Fighting for what’s right isn’t a bad thing.
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 You’ll have better luck selling and moving to a place where the law-of-the-land is more suitable for your needs.
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  Fact is, most ppl don’t want to deal with their own private security team, fire protection, emergency services, road work, gaining rights for laying internet cable or maintaining it, doing their own electric, etc.Local Community’s fingers are in lots of things we don’t have to think about. Maybe we should. All depends what you want and don’t want out of life.
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 Your best bet outside of moving is joining local anti-property tax groups and getting involved in local politics. Appealing to an internet forum will get you likes but won’t do anything.
  Where I’m at, there’s no state tax. [Florida]. But they keep property taxes pretty low. I don’t know how they do it. But I’m from NJ, a corruption heavy state and had much higher prop taxes. Still, it was very safe just expensive taxes.
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  Oh it’s a fine hill. I was just giving you appropriate challenges plus it’s something you can work on fixing for yourself at least.
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  I can’t stand on your hill because I’m actually satisfied with our local police, fire, emergency response garbage pickup, roadwork and they keep it reasonably low. Not crazy about the school system and the religious charters coming in makes it worse, but I’ll still pay because its something.But if it was high taxes, I’d likely join you on your hill.
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  I’m kind of a civic minded person. Was in Boy Scouts, votes, throws trash in garbage cans instead of the street kind of guy – basic citizen stuff – so that’s my bias.
  FL is great for biz ownership too. Super easy. Plus I love Sunshine laws the best: EVERYTHING is public record. But, want to see text of every govt meeting, good and bad actions of cops and stupid things anybody did in Florida? All online.Want to see what I paid in property taxes? Go for it. Online.Transparency is an amazing thing. It’s part of the tradeoff I think for lower taxes and stuff here.
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stays honest this way. Weird but works.
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 I guess “Public Record” REALLY is _public_
I think there’s tradeoffs, that’s all. You gain in one area, lose in another.
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I volunteered to pay taxes when I got my property
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 Eh, I stated my case on your hill. I also don’t think having choices from profit making corps is necessarily an improvement either (I worked for pharma for a bit), but ymmv.
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 Birth certificate Adam. Parents signed it for you.
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 “Never asked to be born”. Yup. One of those “it’s not fair” things about life.
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  If they interpreted your crying PROPERLY, they wisk you away to a property tax free community and you’d have avoided this WHOLE set of issues.
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