# Ok, I rephrased it into a conversation. Tell me what I missed. What is always conclusive? Proof. Why is proof always conclusive? It’s based in axiom. So are axioms enough to prove empirical things? No. So if you can’t use axioms to prove empirical things, what CAN you use to prove empirical things? Nothing can prove empirical things. That sucks. Yeah. So, what alternative is there? Subjective standard. That sounds awful. It’s not. There’s a few axioms that can help you get “not quite” proven but close. Such as? Axioms about what’s considered “reasonable” as well as logical axioms. These are in the realm of assumptions and explanations. But you’re still using axioms! Axioms lead to proof! Ken’s Conclusion: The axioms are weak which is why they can’t be used to prove.

Ok, I rephrased it into a conversation. Tell me what I missed.

What is always conclusive?
Proof.

Why is proof always conclusive?
It’s based in axiom.

So are axioms enough to prove empirical things?
No.

So if you can’t use axioms to prove empirical things, what CAN you use to prove empirical things?
Nothing can prove empirical things.

That sucks.
Yeah.

So, what alternative is there?
Subjective standard.

That sounds awful.
It’s not. There’s a few axioms that can help you get “not quite” proven but close.

Such as?
Axioms about what’s considered “reasonable” as well as logical axioms. These are in the
realm of assumptions and explanations.

But you’re still using axioms! Axioms lead to proof!

Ken’s Conclusion:
The axioms are weak which is why they can’t be used to prove.
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So my question:
What are axioms of reasonableness?
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