Oh gosh, it’s doom ‘n gloom. Funny thing though: I wonder if things like this aren’t fair to the younger generations. Like, they’re trying out for football, figuring out career paths, learning to balance a checkbook and GenX is all like, “why bother y’all gonna die” – so I’m on the fence

Oh gosh, it’s doom ‘n gloom. Funny thing though: I wonder if things like this aren’t fair to the younger generations. Like, they’re trying out for football, figuring out career paths, learning to balance a checkbook and GenX is all like, “why bother y’all gonna die” – so I’m on the fence

I think the world I knew is dying. That’s true with every generation though. Is what’s coming what we think it is? I don’t know. I used to pin my hopes on technology to save the day. Maybe it still will. Always counted on the un to sort out stuff or American dream to do its magic thing. Maybe their expiration dates came up, maybe this is just a blip.

Full economic crash by 2025? Probably. New life full of masks and virii and nations fighting nations? I don’t know. I still think we can avoid some of that.

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The Dirty Word is wonderfully violent and disgusting – such amazing action and imagery in so few words – and Silence is terse but while it uses very few words, the words it uses are all important movements – I can hear it spoken aloud while reading.

Still nothing on. 1,744,517,326 websites and they all suck.

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] That’s because his daughter converted, His dad was arrested at a KKK rally in 1927 but maybe he was just sorta standing there, minding his own business and got scooped up in the hubbub.

But I don’t think Trump cares WHO says they support him as long as he gets something. Politicians are just that way.

Any reference to a woman being “a vessel” automatically invalidates.

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Next thought:
Equal womb = equal say.
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 Thing is, I’m looking at what you posted and now you’re talking about Trump. Trump is not a Republican in the same way that Republicans are Republicans.Next point: It’s not whether or not Trump supports the KKK but whether the KKK thinks Trump supports them.
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 Well, he asserts Jews are a race and/or nationality. That’s a tricky thing there.
The executive order Trump signed was a very strange one.
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 In America, Jewish was primarily a religion, not a race. Now to be Jewish is to be a race.
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I’m saying it took the choice away.
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 For as long as I’ve known, conversion into Judaism was possible and was not tied into loyalty to Israel nor to blood. It’s a process but possible.
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From a racial point of view, that man is Jewish.
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Trump is rewriting. I’m not.
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 Law of Return says having a father who is Jewish makes you Jewish enough to be a citizen of Israel. Now, that’s a decision Israel as a nation made back in 1970.
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 That’s fine for Israel as a nation to do. Israel does what Israel does. The United States does what the United States does.The Executive Order Trump signed tramples over several things that are important in the United States as a secular nation.
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That’s mother. Extending to father was made for citizenship reasons to Israel.
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  Antisemites believe Trump is antisemetic. They believe he is on their side. He does little to nothing to convince them otherwise.He does not present himself as an enemy to antisemites.Allowing a thing to happen – is it the same as asking for it to happen?
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  You want me to show you what Trump has not done? How is that possible?
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 It’s not always what you do, it’s what you allows to occur.
There’s plausible deniability of course.
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 Prioritize fighting antisemitism. When there are alt-right rallies, condemn antisemitic rhetoric, not say “there’s good people on both sides”. When there is a synagogue shooting, have strong words backed by public policy to combat anti-seminism.
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  I see them on the web and they praise Trump in ways I’d never seen before and continue with their anti-semetic memes and such. The presence of a son-in-law that’s Jewish doesn’t bother them as they believe that this will lead to the second coming of Christ. End justifies the means.
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  It’s disturbingly common. A quick Google search but there’s a lot of things like this. That’s why KKK doesn’t mind Jared being Jewish or daughter converting: they believe it’s part of God’s plan.https://www.amazon.com/Rabbis-Donald-Trump…/dp/1948014165
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 It is an example of racism. Antisemites believe in what’s now called “racial realism” or “scientific racialism”.It’s a quack pseudo-science but it occasionally gets footing in scientific literature through the decades and they’ve collected them all.Declaring Jewish as protected only by virtue of nationality or ethnicity, firms a genetic-only justification. The anti-semite’s “scientific racialism” is confirmed.This wouldn’t bother me if this was happening in another country, but in the USA, we started racism-as-we-know it a few centuries ago, and this just continues it.Prior to the executive order, there was choice. Is Jewish ethnicity, religion, culture, a mixture? It was up to Jewish people to decide that.
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 Claiming to protect Jewish people in this manner is a Trojan horse.
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 Look at the logistics: Who has the ultimate say on “Is this person Jewish or not Jewish?”Look at how this plays out internationally and why it takes power away from Americans to make their own choices.
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 Ethnonationalism is a VERY dangerous thing to dabble in. I’ve followed the antisemetic folks online since 2014 – even before Mr Trump declared he was RUNNING – as it was a new movement I saw online.I dove into it. I know how they think and it’s really disturbing.
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 He did do something in response. He said words. Any actions to back up the words?
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  Is Judaism solely a ethnicity and nationality? Who has final say on the validity of one’s Jewish status?
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 I’m not trying to win a debate. I lost before I started. But I still have things I think are important to say.
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 By declaring Judaism an ethnicity and a nationality only – rather than a religion-and-or-nationality-and-or-ethnicity – the choice is taken away from Americans and brought to the final arbitrator of who is Jewish or not and that will be Israel should it need be and who is considered a valid member of the nation.
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 “importance” isn’t a thing here. You choose what you consider important or not. I am choosing to consider what I am saying as important.If you choose to consider what I’m saying as unimportant due to a rule you have, that’s your choice, but I’d prefer a conversation than an arbitration.
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 Perhaps my bias is unclear. I am not concerned about Trump that much. His time is limited.I am concerned about the USA and the direction it takes towards its citizens which will linger long after the guy is out and a new yahoo comes in.I should have made that clear and I apologize. He is simply not important to me as much as the future of my country and how it treats its citizens or might in the future. The laws we put into place can change that so I am watching.
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 Any laws in the USA that fall into ethnonationalism concern me because the USA is not “blood and soil” but a secular nation of laws with civic duties and honor to equality among mankind as a fundamental human right.If you look into different types of patriotism, you find “ethnic nationalism” as one kind and “civic patriotism” as another kind.The names sometimes swap around but that’s the basic two categories.I’m of the civic patriotism. Ethnic nationalism scares me because of its potential for abuse, particularly with our current technologies.
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  Do pregnant women and mothers have equal earning power to unattached men? Why or why not?
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 Any man can be unattached and working by simply running off.
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 We don’t do extended families much in the USA. It’s not our tradition. Nuclear family is our tradition.If you’re a single parent in an extended family home, you WON’T show up as a single parent home.SO, this is misleading.
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“President Trump’s executive order differs from the Obama administration’s interpretation in two important respects. First, and most obvious, the order focuses only on discrimination against Jews. It does not mention Muslims, Sikhs or other religious groups. Second, the order omits the “actual or perceived” language from the 2010 Department of Justice letter, declaring that “Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual’s race, color, or national origin.”Read literally, the order seems to say that Title VI covers discrimination against Jews because they are members of a racial group or separate nationality.To some Americans, including Jewish-Americans, that formulation is alarming. The suggestion that Jews have a national identity different from the country in which they live has long been a basis for denying them the rights of citizenship. “
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Now, we’re in a judicial stage in the USA moving towards word-for-word interpretations of law. The Supreme Court’s Gorsuch is an excellent example of that but similar and unfortunately lesser examples of strict readers have been instituted across federal and state courts since the election.That’s fine : it’s a cycle in the USA and we’ve been here before.BUT that’s why “literal interpretations” have to be taken far more seriously. In liberal courts, you have wiggle room to say “Yeah, well, the law didn’t MEAN ethnic or national ONLY – the spirit of it was that of religious protection too”.But in a literal court you don’t have that flexibility.
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 It doesn’t matter how Jewfaq defines Judaism. What matters in my mind in this case is “How Does The United States Define Judaism?”
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  It is fascinating. Everything Jewfaq says on that page I knew and agreed with. That is the understanding of Judaism I was raised with since I was a little boy and it is the understanding I have to this very day.
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  For US public policy, it does.I’m not speaking of how the religion defines itself but how the United States decides if someone is Jewish or not.The US will have to defer to Israel’s determination as Jewish is now a a protected nationality (Israel) / ethnicity (Jewish, also Israel) in the USA and not primarily a religion.

I apologize if I was unclear or misleading.

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 When Judaism was considered primarily a religion in the USA, religious practitioners could make those decisions.But putting an ethnonational status to Judaism puts the decision for the USA into Israel’s court and no longer primarily a religion in the USA.

It’s one of those things that’s easy to miss as we’re accustomed to things a certain way. But a subtle shift in wording can make a huge difference down the line when seas are more stormy and less calm.

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But the link was a good link. I think my error was not being clear (rules – I should’ve put ‘my rules’ as you said) – that I was concerned with US policy changes.
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