It’s when people use it to justify immoral actions by believing them simply to be “amoral”. They’re often people with power over others. Bad recipe.

The first sentence says everything about why I don’t care for her. She had a time and place in history and I respect that. I don’t even mind so much the “purists” who are happily debating on internet forums about this fallacy or that.

It’s when people use it to justify immoral actions by believing them simply to be “amoral”. They’re often people with power over others. Bad recipe.

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So i heard that Trump is using “My Way” by dank sinatra as first dance song during inauguration. I like the song but think of it more of a funeral song… not really quite ‘right’ for the occasion.
So, I put this together. Hold onto your earphones. [I pictured him dancing while Washington DC was burning. I dunno why. 12:01 EST Jan 20, 2017 should be interesting.

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I like piecing together abstract concepts to create meaning (or reveal? Maybe negotiate?). When I heard that Trump picked “My Way” for his ‘first dance”, I got this idea and ran with it. [watch your earphones] — it’s kind of a funeral song more than anything. I like the song but I pictured washington DC burning as he danced.

Yet, even without all the words I used, would the meaning of my video be clear? Maybe maybe not. Meaning.

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It’s a great song. I love it myself. But it’s a song commonly used for funerals in England. The whole song is past tense : it doesn’t speak to the future at all.

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I think he wants to : a) tap a a vast income source (us). I used to think b) secure a political future for his family (because once daddy’s been in politics, the kiddos can be too) – but the lean on a) gets stronger and stronger for me.

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I expect politicians to rip us off for their own gain, so that’s nothing new, it’s true. But you’re right: It’s the ‘how’ that’s concerning.

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Being a white male I don’t expect a heck of a lot to change for me. But I wouldn’t want to be anything other than a white male right now. People want to believe it’s the end of identity politics. They don’t realize that *this* is precisely when it begins to become a force.

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Well, there have been tremendous gains over the past few decades for non-white, non-male, non-protestant Christian in the USA. But it’s far from equal footing.

Like today, I noticed an EEO poster. (Equal Opportunity) at a Walmart.

EEO enforces fairness in hiring / firing against discrimination.

But this is one of the ‘regulations’ that some large business owners complain is “too much regulation”.

I could see it disappearing. That would change things significantly.

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Past few days I’ve seen things online I don’t normally look at. Mexican school shooting. The girl that hung herself. I don’t usually look at that stuff but I kept clicking links. I was able to handle it but I was thinking of the impact of desensitization to these things happening in society and impact that has if we cease to get nightmares over things that should give us nightmares.

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Oh no – I listened, THEN made my coffee. The audio loop kept repeating in my head of the screaming. Then it started to merge with “My Way” (I let my brain do what it does).

Then the screaming got quieter but is now a part of the song underneath.

also —
I just learned that today was the day they did the inauguration concert that they kept talking about. I missed it [no big deal].

So I’m going to scroll through a video of it. It’s only marginally better than a real bear attack audio, so by comparison, it shouldn’t be hard to handle.

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Your told everything is safe. You’re with “the bear guy”. Famous, on TV, made documentaries. You believe that he’s ‘the man’ and in control as much as he says he is.

So, you trust him.

Then you’re thrust in a situation where everything he said about being in charge, is wrong.

What then?

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Being the bear guy is a chick magnet kind of thing to do. I’m sure he used it often.

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Sudden death has a way of confounding plans.

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Oh there’s no doubt he had a way with the animals. I just wouldn’t want to romanticize it *too* much. He deserves credit for his abilities with the animals. I’m good with kids and cats, not as much with dogs or bears. We have brown bears here that I have to stand up to and chase away. But they’re no grizzly. Just big brown bears – like giant raccoons… Really giant raccoons.

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Easy in retrospect of course, but he shouldn’t have brought his girlfriend along if he was also doing bear scouting. *He* might have a way with animals but does she?

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he confidence – That’s my main criticism really. His choices are understandable but still not entirely responsible. I think had he *really* respected the potential dangers they faced, he wouldn’t have brought her along.

But 13 summers of doing it, he was cocky. After all, never got killed before so…

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I understand how he believed what he believed and why he did what he did but he got killed and took someone with him. His confidence led to two deaths – more if you include the bears.

You can understand why someone thought the way they did while _also_ noting that it was an erroneous way of thinking.

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He was in the responsible position in that situation. She was not equipped. I’m not trying to take all the good away from him here. I’m just referring to this one incident.

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He put himself in a position of responsibility over her while there. Doesn’t matter if she was 38 yrs old, 9 years old, 65 years old.

Age =/= responsible. He was in the knowing role and she was in the pupil role.

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Experience in grizzly bear country matters in this. That was his domain, not hers.

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I suppose you could argue that she was stupid for going there and her stupidity got her killed more than him asking her if she wanted to go in the first place. I suppose.

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I’m not putting 100% on him. But you seem to be denying he had *any* responsibility at all there.

I don’t see how a passenger on a plane is responsible when the pilot crashes the plane.

She was the passenger and he was the pilot.

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I wouldn’t charge him for murder if that’s what you mean. She chose to go with him.

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If you’ve ever been in charge of other adults in a situation, you hold a measure of responsibility for their safety and well being.

It might not be legal responsibility but it’s a moral/ethical responsibility.

You have knowledge they don’t. They choose to let go of their inhibitions and trust you to take care of them and lead them the right way.

I’m not charging him with anything here.

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Well, I didn’t see the documentary you did. I just saw a 10 minute mini documentary that was somewhat more critical of his decisions, so that probably colored my view as much as the documentary you saw might have colored yours.

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I can *relate* to his decisions. I might have made exactly the same ones. But at the moment that bear was attacking me, I’d know I fucked up in a big way.

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He apparently knew, at least by his words. Whether he believed what he said, I don’t know.

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She wasn’t a cliff diver. He was the cliff diver.

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He knew how to set up the rigging and show her how to safely cliff dive.

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It’s not overt manipulation though because he believed he had something special himself. I saw a few interviews he gave in the mini documentary I saw. He was very confident of his abilities with the bears. He was all over talk shows, and none of them expressed the true danger of working with grizzly bears, just that “this guy” has this Grizzly Adams ability with them that was really special.

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So can I. That’s why it scares me.

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It’s a morality tale for me otherwise my learning about their deaths and hearing the screams was for absolutely nothing.

It was a reminder to me that whenever I lead someone, I am responsible (at some level) for them and must take my responsibility seriously.

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Ok. You’re Donald Trump, 45th President of the USA. No other decisions matter that affect people 18+ because they’re grown adults and know what the world is.

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I’m desensitized to a lot of things. It allows me to be “the rational one”. But the damn heart-strings still get pulled. I treat those heart-strings well and let them stay sensitive to *certain* things ’cause once they’re cut, that’s that.

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Legally their culpability was equal. She was over 18. He was not running a business. If he was running a business, he would be culpable. He would be the paid / non-profit tour guide and be considered legally responsible, unless they signed some sort of contract absolving him of all responsibility in every which way possible.

But I’m not talking about legally here.

They did not have equal footing. Analogy: Some people believe that women and black people are equal because of civil rights act. There can be no more discrimination because the law says there is none. To them, a black and white person have equal footing when they apply for a job because the law says they must, therefore they are equals already.

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She’s responsible for her own life. But love is stupid. The little I know is that she fell in love with him because of a book about him – it sounded like she pursued him. Quit her job, moved to California, and went with him on his grizzly bear adventure.

Is she responsible for the decisions that eventually led to her own death?

Yeah. But he was slightly more responsible as he knew the less-romanticized dangers of grizzly bears than the ones she read in his book about his life.

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Ok. Man makes himself authority on grizzly bears. Writes book. Gets wide publicity. On TV a lot for years. He’s the pro. He knows grizzlies in a way no one has ever seen before it seems.

I don’t see how they’re on entirely equal footing here. He’s a celebrity. She’s a dental hygenist who quit her job to follow him.

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Gold digger gets what she deserves.
Famous bear tracker’s daring lifestyle gets him and his girlfriend killed.
I don’t like either narrative.

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Oh I don’t think he coaxed her. But the ‘glow of fame’ can be alluring to some people. He had a mental illness. Maybe she did too, who knows. It’s probably ultimately neither of their faults in the end.

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That’s a bit of an ageist perspective – actually very much so.

You don’t gain responsibility after the age of 35. You’re not much different at 36 than you are at 18. From what I’ve seen, people are not much different at 70 than they are at 18. It all depends on their life experiences. Even then, some people just follow the same mistakes throughout adulthood that they fell into as teenagers.

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People _tend_ to follow past patterns. If they’re the kind of person who tends to do risky things as a teenager, they’ll do risky things when they’re in their 60s. If they’re the kind of person who tend to be optimistic about the future when they’re 11, will tend to be optimistic about the future at 50.

People can change through the years of course, and they do.

But to the observant, they don’t really change much at all in how they are as a person, just how they express or inhibit parts.

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How old would you be if you didn’t have a mirror? How old do you feel?

I’ve asked that type of question to people a lot through the years. The most common answer I get? 16 years old.

That’s how I see people. Not how their body aged around them but how they see themselves / behave.

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