It’s about time. Yeah, I know why it’s like this. Been like this as long as I can remember. But it was always stupid. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Or put accurate dimensions next to the fake one. It’s not that hard to add a few bits of ink on stickers. Is it a ridiculous lawsuit? Might seem so. But Red Bull doesn’t give you wings and despite a 10 year ad campaign using it, they gave a $5 check to anybody who asked once they were called on it. I agreed with that.

It’s about time. Yeah, I know why it’s like this. Been like this as long as I can remember. But it was always stupid. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Or put accurate dimensions next to the fake one. It’s not that hard to add a few bits of ink on stickers.

Is it a ridiculous lawsuit? Might seem so. But Red Bull doesn’t give you wings and despite a 10 year ad campaign using it, they gave a $5 check to anybody who asked once they were called on it. I agreed with that.

It’s something anybody who works with building materials picks up quickly. It’s still stupid and easily fixed. Calling it 2x4s while you’re working with it isn’t at issue: it’s stores *selling* items as measuring 2″x4″ when they don’t measure 2″x4″. We’re used to it but it’s still wrong.
  Nothing would get done anywhere then :) Most of everything that gets accomplished isn’t by panels of experts in a room but by people flying by the seat of their pants as best they can.
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 hey’re consumer stores for consumers. Open to public. Did I learn about measurements when I was a kid? Yes. It was weird but it’s just how it was. “Always did it that way” or long explanations is what I’d get when I pushed it.Still doesn’t mean it’s not stupid to write 2″x4″x96″ when it’s not.Instead say “2×4″ (actual: 1.5 x 3.5 x 96) – something like that. It’s not hard.
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 But look at what you’re defending. It’s a tradition and a process we each went through but why?Will 2x4s be sold at other sizes in the future? Perhaps in 50 years a 2×4 is really a 1.25 x 3. Few will stop and even notice how strange it is because it’s common knowledge.To me, it’s just as easy to fix it, get it over with. People will still call them 2×4 by tradition but at least when you go to the store, if you’re depending on items measuring what it says, you won’t be misled.
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It’s still a kind of elitism that’s not necessary in a big box store. Maybe a lumberyard, sure. But Home Depot isn’t’ a lumberyard. Then again, they squashed all the lumber yards.
  Also, the standard is known . A 2×4 is really 1.5×3.5.So, put 1.5 x 3.5 next to “2×4″. It’s not that hard. I don’t see the need to defend big box stores from putting a little more ink on the signs.
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 You can still do that starting with the 1.5×3.5 measurement. Show both measurements. It’s nice that people like you and me got a proper education in the nature of how kiln-dried wood works. Another friend who responded to my feed post on it said “he learned about in Drafting class” Well, not everybody has drafting class either.I don’t understand why you’re defending the tradition. The wood they’re selling isn’t 2×4. It’s simple. No different from any other product on the market. 1 lb of coffee should be 16 oz. If it’s not, then they should say 11.5 oz, which they do.
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  The finished size of the wood is 1.5 x 3.5 When you work with it you plan “as if” it’s 2×4 but leave appropriate gaps.If you like a two-class society where only those who know certain things are allowed to do certain things, that’s fine but I prefer companies that make millions of dollars to have _some_ accountability to simple honesty to the public.How many wasted conversations of “haw haw, look that person doesn’t know that a 2×4 isn’t really a 2×4 haha”. It’s not necessary.

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1.5×3.5 is far more accurate than 2×4. People who build will _still_ have to be educated regardless of how it’s labelled.I’m also a fan of plain english in legal documents. In those cases you have two versions: the legalese (within which a lot of crap hides) and the plain english which is also legally binding with a glossary but is more readable for the people who *should* know what things mean.I’m not asking for professionals to stop their professions here. But these are simple changes.

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  “2×4″ (approx 1.5 x 3.5)That’s all they need to do. Some lumber stores already do that anyway. Those that don’t, should start.

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  Ok, you raise good points there and that’s true. I *do* believe in standards for construction and safety. I don’t like the politics of inspectors and inspections and the easy revenue they get in some counties, but in *principle* I agree that they’re necessary to prevent people from getting hurt.
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