In the USA, up through the early 1980s, American Jews who were in Hollywood, political positions or in business would frequently change their names and background stories to hide their Jewish roots. Even today, women and men in Hollywood, political positions or in business make physical changes to their bodies in order to avoid a stereotypical Jewish appearance. So, I suspect the ((())) is more of an issue in the USA than it might be in Estonia, which is free of discriminatory practices.

In the USA, up through the early 1980s, American Jews who were in Hollywood, political positions or in business would frequently change their names and background stories to hide their Jewish roots.Even today, women and men in Hollywood, political positions or in business make physical changes to their bodies in order to avoid a stereotypical Jewish appearance.So, I suspect the ((())) is more of an issue in the USA than it might be in Estonia, which is free of discriminatory practices.

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What’s not average about being Jewish?

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Shame? Nah dude. It’s $$$. Jobs. Housing. Pragmatic.

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Funny that you should assume “shame” was a reason. Why is that?

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That’s not hiding culture. It’s joining American capitalist culture which has unwritten rules of appearance and conduct.

Roman Catholics had to do a similar thing, although not as dramatically. It’s to avoid discrimination in the larger culture.

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$$$ = American capitalism. What did you think it meant, Kalle?

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American capitalism is a) large corporation b) mobility in large corp. To have mobility in our religion of large corporations, you need a WASP look / backstory.

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You don’t ‘get’ the USA. Discrimination is ubiquitous.

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In the USA, being a Jew isn’t usually a religious thing but an ancestral / cultural thing.

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Kalle, the US is the land of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American

If you don’t understand what that’s about, it’s hard to get you to see how daily income isn’t the reducing factor.

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“President Woodrow Wilson regarded “hyphenated Americans” with suspicion, saying, “Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready.”

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It’s huge even today in the USA. Look at how some Americans regard DNA testing with suspicion because through it they find out they had Jewish ancestry?

The USA is a land of hidden Jews.

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I’m focusing on Americans who feel that way, regardless of their political affiliation.

What an “alt right” is in non USA countries is irrelevant to me. I’m talking about how Americans regard other Americans.

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Jumping into American problems without an understanding of the ongoing battle between hyphenated-American vs American or pride vs “just fit in”, your opinions carry less weight.

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I think I got Kalle to wake up about 3 times but most of the time it’s the same blind routine. Still, it’s fun.

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Some people just like to watch the world burn.

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You have to GET in a higher position first to be able to “say who you are” first, otherwise you’re stuck in a low position.

That’s why you might see higher #’s.

Under a certain level in the USA, you have to “blend in”.

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If you have $1,000,000/yr you can afford to say who you are. If you’re making $15,000/yr and who you are is holding you back, you “blend in”.

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It’s a form of “white-passing”. That’s why blacks have a hard time in the USA.

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“Being Jewish” isn’t a career card. That’s more family links, like all other business and politics in the USA.

If your cousin’s aunt’s grandma knew your grandma back in the ‘old days’, you’re more likely to progress to the next level.

Or if your dad golfs with their dad. I think that’s true in a lot of the world.

Did you think having a Jewish last name was an automatic “YOU’RE HIRED?” That’s delusional.

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You don’t ‘get’ how the US works. It’s about knowing people who know people.

You *can* get ahead on merit alone up to a point but after that, there has to be family connections somehow.

Don’t you know that in EVERY subculture there’s tiers and cells?

“Hey, be nice ’cause he’s a Jew too” isn’t how it works. But if there’s a family connection somehow, then it’s easier.

Or, if I wanted to get ahead in Trump world, I’d just have to show that my aunt’s husband’s works at one of his golf courses. Suddenly, I have an “in”.

Basic politics.

In the USA, Jews *are* white people, once they have nose jobs and change their last names.

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In the USA, Jews *are* white people, once they have nose jobs (if needed) and change their last names (if needed).

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At lower tiers (up to middle management level), merit alone *can* be enough… if the company is desperate.

But once you’re at higher than middle management level, you have to know people.

Even merit alone isn’t usually enough. “What college did you go to?” is a big “family like” connection for example. I can give you other connections-examples if you like.

So, you’re mistaken.

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“White people” in the USA aren’t these free floating blobs without connections.

IF they ARE, they’re doomed to shit-tier jobs.

Example: at the bottom of EVERY job application is this:

3 references.

That’s probably the most IMPORTANT part of a resume that too many new job applicants don’t understand.

If you don’t have connections of some kind, you won’t get anywhere.

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“A random white person” and a “random Jew” are equally likely to have or not have attended the same school.

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In the USA, Jew = white. White=jew.

For American statistics gathering purposes, Jew and white are the same.

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Atheist/agnostic/secular Jews won’t show up on breakdowns of by-religion in the Jewish category.

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In the USA, up until recently, it was a faux pas to point out someone’s culture and origins.

The “American assumption” is that “all people are created equal with inalienable rights” and to point out differences that moves away from this “melting pot” ideology is “bad”.

So, Erik + I are coming from our American bias. It’s socially acceptable to point out your OWN ethnicity / background, but if someone else points out YOUR ethnicity / background, it’s rude at best, bigoted at worst.

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“Reverse cultural appropriation”? That’s not a thing.

You’re talking about the US from the outside looking in.

We’re talking about the US from the inside looking at ourselves and also outwards at you.

Should we feel pity for you in your ignorance? We could.

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If you were in the USA, you’d be bigoted against jews. Since you’re talking about USA jews, our response is logical.

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You don’t have to buy it. I don’t have to sell it to you. It’s just a fact.

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Identity politics is played primarily by the Republican party. They’re too blind to see it but they are its biggest players.

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What does it mean to be an American?
Look up hyphenated-Americans to understand the different sides.

To be Republican is to be “normal”. That means: white, protestant Christian, of Northern European background, ideally from England. Everything else is lower and lower tiers until you reach Eastern European, which is at the unspoken bottom tier of acceptable Republican.

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I can prove this with immigration / eugenics era charts from US history early 20th century.

Just because it’s not spoken aloud, doesn’t mean it’s not still there.

The Democrats, of which I’m not 100% a fan of either but more than Republican, at least have the balls to try to acknowledge our history and work with it to bring it up to the eventual ideal.

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So passage of time erases history? cool.

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The US is SLOOOOW to change. It’s always 1899 here

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We only ever pretend to change in the hopes that SOMEDAY it’ll stick.

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Laws are nice. How often does law matter in day-to-day life?

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3rd generation Irish-American cop pulls over a 7th generation African American.

Who’s got the gun? Why do Irish-Americans STILL make up the majority of our police?

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If you can pass as a Protestant, it’s possible for an nice Irish Catholic boy to get ahead in business. Just hide the crucifix.

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It didn’t matter much in New Jersey either. People called you out for your background but didn’t care as long as you did the work.

NYC though had a discrimination problem for a long time, reinforced by tv show and movie stereotypes.

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But NJ people agree. Think George Carlin and you’ve got NJ.

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