I’m not deflecting anything. What is the nature of a government? What does it do? What metaphors function in place of a government? That can be tricky as government is a nominalization of a verb: TO GOVERN. Government governs. Act of governing. So where does this action of governing take place? On a plot of land with people and things on it. SO now we have a circumscribed place with an act (“governing”) taking place with people and things involved. What metaphor covers all that? A house. A family. Mom, Dad, kids, pets, stuff. Is it a good metaphor? I don’t know. But nation as house, leader as mommy or daddy, the people as kids, the economy as bank account, is SO commonly in use that it acts “as if” true already. Look at the budget. People talk about the budget as if it’s a bank account for their home. But it’s not. It’s entirely different, functions differently. But the metaphor of nation=house, leader = mom/dad is so strong, that even the smartest economists fall in that metaphorical trap and can’t get out of it.

I’m not deflecting anything.

What is the nature of a government? What does it do? What metaphors function in place of a government?

That can be tricky as government is a nominalization of a verb: TO GOVERN.

Government governs. Act of governing.

So where does this action of governing take place? On a plot of land with people and things on it.

SO now we have a circumscribed place with an act (“governing”) taking place with people and things involved.

What metaphor covers all that?

A house. A family. Mom, Dad, kids, pets, stuff.

Is it a good metaphor? I don’t know.

But nation as house, leader as mommy or daddy, the people as kids, the economy as bank account, is SO commonly in use that it acts “as if” true already.

Look at the budget. People talk about the budget as if it’s a bank account for their home.

But it’s not. It’s entirely different, functions differently. But the metaphor of nation=house, leader = mom/dad is so strong, that even the smartest economists fall in that metaphorical trap and can’t get out of it.

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In this metaphor, a standard right wing libertarian is the unruly teenager screaming “you can’t tell me what to do”.

I agree with you completely. But look at what sway metaphors have. Why would anyone think a physical wall with Mexico and guards and things would be a good idea and actually function?

Because of the metaphor. USA as gated community. A man who always lived in gated communities sees the USA as a gated community that doesn’t have walls.

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Oh, it’s not the bugaboo “the media”.
I remember Trump in the 80s and 90s. He was always that way.

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That’s true. I grew up hearing it. I mostly ignored it as it was a right wing narrative. Good fodder for movies but it was mostly crap, which I knew even as a kid.

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Drug cartels, war on drugs, drugs will fry your brains, central america, white people need to infiltrate inner cities to get rid of thugs (that’s what 80s/90s people used instead of old racial slurs) — etc etc.

Some of it I didn’t ‘see’ until later. I didn’t realize that “thug” was a substitute n-word until much later but I also never called anybody ‘thugs’.

Yeah, you’re right in that Trump was just going with the standard right-wing narrative (and Bill Clinton was a right-wing President, despite the Democrat label, although Democrats were always center-right) – but he also would go a little further.

The Central Park 5 — putting out a full page ad – I remember when that happened. It was weird at the time. Really really weird.

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Maybe that’s what it is I don’t care for about him: He brings back to life OLD stuff from the 1980s.

Stuff I thought we left behind, moved away from.

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On the four square compass, I show up in the bottom left quadrant, way at the bottom left of that quadrant.

So things like “left wing agenda” don’t calculate for me, as that strikes me a authoritarian, which I’m not.

Ah there we go. I usually show up here. I took it 3 times – in 2014, 2016 and 2018. Only shift a tiny bit each time but always in this area.

I thought that it was well known as a right wing show. Look at where I am in the spectrum here. Almost everything is to the right of me.

So it’s my bias. I’m not against police per se, but not when it’s abused. Human rights have to come first.

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On Hidden Tribes of America, I show up as “Progressive Activist”. Way off in the far left. It’s not 100% right but closer than the rest. Good test. .Better than poli compass for USA anyway.

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middle class white cops chase after lower class black men in neighborhoods middle class white cops don’t live in.

Apparently the show has changed its ways but a few years back they got called out on the implicit racism of the show – maybe 10 years ago or so.

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I was raised to ignore racism. It was bad to talk about. The only way to fix racism is to pretend it does not exist.

Unfortunately, that failed.

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I was raised with the whole intersectional thing — been part of my worldview for my whole adult life. So, I’m familiar with the language of critique and all that. Actually at this point, it’s common knowledge which amazes me. IT may be the butt of jokes among your standard Joe Rogan watcher / talk radio listener but they utilize the terminology, if incorrectly.

Oh, so basically it’s “everything reduces to class”?

Nah, I can’t go with that. It’d be nice but it’s way too simplified. That would only work among people who start off historically homogenized — maybe in a middle class white suburb or something.

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I dunno. It just makes sense to me. It’s all about situations. How are you situated. We’re not all equally situated and a paycheck doesn’t change everything.

It’s one piece of the puzzle of course but not the whole thing.

Thing about it: it’s invisible if it’s not from your background – — how can you see what you’ve never seen?

What your class reductionism is doing is forcing identity. “This is how you shall be identified”. By a class. “Can I have other identity?” No because class isn’t identity. But it is.

Just because you avoid saying a word doesn’t mean a word isn’t implied.

So, I’m a life. Ok. What kind of life? Mammal. Human.
Ok. I’m human. Can I get more specific?
I can stop there.
Will everybody stop there?

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It’s not whether you benefit or not. It’s whether you could. I’ll give an example.

In the USA, it’s not intangible.
If I am Kanye West and I am traveling through a poor white neighborhood that is not known for being friendly towards outsiders of any kind, but particularly on skin tone distinctions, if the people there do not know “who I am”, my material position will not help me at all.

I will be treated based upon one thing only and it isn’t the invisible bank account.

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Could be part of a music video set – they go on location. Wander off and things change.

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It’s realistic. I hear stories a few times a year because I have some African-American Futurist news stuff that shows up on my FB feed. I got inspired after the Wakanda forever thing – and I loved the sci-fi visions, how it was similar but distinct from my standard Anglo-american futurism.

Anyway, a few times a year I’ll read a story of a famous black American running into a bad situation solely due to skin color – – wrong place, wrong time. It doesn’t make regular news because “who cares – more important stuff” — but I catch it.

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I’m fascinating by distinctive perspectives. Two twins, genetically starting off identical immediately start being genetically distinct as they’re both operating in different bodies.

Once born, their experiences will be distinctly different – yet many things will be similar due to being treated the same and through having similar genetic traits.

Now some people are fascinated by what they have in common but I’ve fascinated by what’s distinct.

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I still believe in “melting pot” America _but_ I had to modify my thinking a little.
 
I did not know as a child that “melting pot” means “Act white and you’ll be alright”.
 
But that’s what it meant. And – it doesn’t work. It works up to a point but then it starts failing. Why? Because it’s common for people to think the same way their grandparents did. Maybe they loved their grandfather or grandmother – who knows? But old ideas carry on a lot longer than one might expect.
 
So I had to add in that the distinctions matter even if they shouldn’t.
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