If you want to EXCLUDE the society around atheism, then you must give the same license to others as well.

 It’s spread far beyond a definition, Naveem. Why are there leaders?
Why are there people quoting memes?
Why are there foundations? 

I’m looking at it from an outsider’s point of view. Atheism may have a nice definition at its core, but what has sprouted that ALSO shares the word “Atheism” is a part of it.

If you want to EXCLUDE the society around atheism, then you must give the same license to others as well. 

That’s all I was saying.

 

Naveed, how can I be a fundamentalist at not agreeing that atheism isn’t a belief system? What fundamentals am I returning to?

strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline.

 

That’s not fundamentalism.

“strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline.”

If anything, you could be defined as an atheist fundamentalist, because you keep returning to basic principles, even if it’s one.

 I take less for granted than you realize.
The thing is: You’re giving all the credit to Science.
But the credit is shared with Engineering, Technology, Mathematics, Politics, Economies and many other factors.

You may have me misrepresented. Perhaps I have done the same with you.

 

Wait, what? No. How are you defining Science?

It must be awfully broad to encompass all of that.

Science as a field didn’t even exist until after it was known as Natural Philosophy.

Is there a retroactive credit being applied here?

 

 Never understood why people get angry when they’re trying to prove a point. There’s facts, there’s history, there’s knowledge. But then people get all upset. Humans are weird.

 Well, honestly, I didn’t know there was an “us”. I hope I’m not a “them”. I don’t even know what “them” I’m supposed to be. I’m not good at roleplaying tongue emoticon 

Perhaps I presented myself improperly. If you’ve formed an image of what kind of person I am, please let me know and I’ll either agree or correct it. That might help.

 It’s ok. I get hot under the collar sometimes too online. I’ve been online since 1989, so I had lots of practice sitting on my hands instead of typing. [I actually LITERALLY would sit on my hands for 30 seconds, which was the old advice for when that feeling of “flaming” / “flame war” started to come over you].

Anyway, it seems our disagreement comes to definitions and word choices in any case.

 

 

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