If I died right now, if I never existed, these things would carry on just as they do.

I don’t bury my head in the sand James. I care about what happens to this country more than you seem to realize.

Fact is, and this is a FACT: Most of these things _are_, always have been and always be out of my hands. Period.

If I died right now, if I never existed, these things would carry on just as they do.

I care about this country and this whole planet and all of the people more than I can express in a few words. But I’m starting to feel as if I have to be careful to not say anything negative about Trump or criticize anything other than what you allow me to criticize otherwise you will again tell me that I am some kind of mindless person who is unaware and addicted to CNN and doesn’t care about America and happy to be spoon fed, etc.

You become like a programmed robot when you get on these topics and I miss the real James Briggs that enjoys intellectual discussion and thoughtful insight.

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That’s the job of the government agencies who’ve been working on this for a long time, visibly since June 2016.

Even if the inauguration goes smoothly, they’ll continue working on it. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, whether we understand it or not, they’re still going ahead with it as they have been all along.

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While they were around before then, would you say that gamergate was a propelling force?

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i only started seeing them popping up outside of their usual stomping grounds around 2011, mixed in with MRA, anti-SJW, anti-PC… with two factions, one strongly atheist and the other with a kind of a “spiritual” fascism. But it’s only about 2 yrs ago that I really started to see the rise of nazi stuff in particular in the strangest of places… just here and there… and then 16 months ago, a HUGE upward spike.

I never dove into 4chan or stormfront – I monitored the everyday online places where the non-geeks/nerds of the net go (as I find the appearance of subcultures upon ‘standard parts of internet’ fascinating when they happen).

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The other day, I was talking to a new neo-Nazi – and barely one at that really, like he was trying it on for size. Nowhere a seasoned pro, just like fitting for a new pair of boots.

Anyway, I noticed a meme he used was clearly gamer inspired (the machine guns had machetes with blood on them… something you’d only see in a game and it was clearly fanart). Through discussion, found out that Warhammer was his game.

I remember Warhammer from way back when: used to be a tabletop game and I’d see them on the BBS’ way back in the early 90s. Nazi wannabes, the bunch of them. [not that all were, but the lore of the game leads nicely with people who have that mindset].

Anyway, that’s where my brain’s been dot-connecting. MGTOW still blows my mind though. Laughably so. I kinda feel pity tbh, especially those that get full on wrapped up in it.

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holy shit that’s beautiful. Yeah, this is way deeper than I’d ever have gone, but politics isn’t really my thing. I just find subcultures fascinating. For me, most of online politics is fantasy football –> fantasy politics, but sometimes it can make a blip on the outside.

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Oh definitely. It actually amazes me it took ’til 2008 for major politics to start utilizing the incredible power available here. It’s as close to “direct-to-mind’ as one can get. [TV’s got nothing on this medium].

One place that online’s always been powerful is subversive politics, especially grassroots but you nailed it: Obama in ’08 and Trump in ’16 (and Sanders in ’16, not to forget) were the first major uses of this power of combining the mass available of direct grassroots combined with major parties.

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Very true. Never really accessed the power of Twitter for its social potential. I wrote a client for it early on that some of the others copied, which was cool :) – but I mostly used it to rig Google results in my favor for SEO (along with a lot of other ways) rather than for people stuff. Always understood how algorithms and overall systems worked more than masses of people and politics.

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For example, ,when I look at that amazing chart you have there, I have NO IDEA where I fit into it. None. I read through it, trying to figure where I fit on the map, and I’m sure there’s a ‘spot’ for me in there. But I just can’t see it. Blind spot.

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