[I wasn’t a rich liberal white kid so I was laughing alongside the few PoC who were there when I was there]

The college I went to, this one, was always full of a lot of white kids doing that stuff. Mind you, it’s super liberal liberal arts. Genuine PoC get to watch rich liberal white kids embarrass themselves by attempting to appropriate the style without having the substance.

I think that’s what it’s mostly about: “Stop embarrassing yourselves”. Personally? I don’t care either way.

[I wasn’t a rich liberal white kid so I was laughing alongside the few PoC who were there when I was there]

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Anyone *is* allowed to wear dreadlocks. *And likewise* anyone is allowed to tell them they look stupid and “get your own culture”. Freedom of speech yo.

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I tried dreadlocks way back when. My hair wouldn’t mat together properly.

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But really, if a group of people is like, “come on, that’s a deep part of our culture and identity and you’re wearing it like it’s today’s fidget spinner”? I’d be respectful and stop doing whatever the thing is.

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BUT, if someone’s going around saying “Well, that’s THOSE PEOPLE’S culture that you’re appropriating” and nobody from that culture seems to care themselves? I might not listen so closely.

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Message matters, but it’s important to look at the messenger too. Not everybody has the talking stick for a culture. [appropriated by Boy Scouts from some American Indians long ago, so I don’t feel any guilt as it’s part of my Boy Scout culture, so there]

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I’ve only known a few genuine Rastafarians in my life (New Jersey) but I think the most they would’ve done is rolled their eyes a little at anybody not Rastafarian wearing dreads. ie – I don’t think they would have cared either way.

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That’s a real problem and a good example of the problem of appropriation.

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That’s not the fault of the non PoC who have the dreads but society’s awful dividing line about it.

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I think most the complaining about this kind of stuff though isn’t so much when people like us do these things.

Rather, it’s when there’s companies making big $$$ off of one culture by selling a version of it to another culture. If nobody’s complaining, fine, but if people who are Christian are having a fit because images of Jesus on toilet paper are becoming popular, well, I can’t blame them for complaining if it’s important to them.

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School administrators are some of the most offensive species of animal out there.

Persecution’s a strong word for this. Mocked maybe.

But if a black kid is forced to shave his head in order to graduate while his fellow white kids can happily wear their dreads to graduation, then that’s persecution.

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I had a sombrero a few years ago – to protect my face from the sun – but I wasn’t in a mariachi band with a fake mustache or in public. It was in my garden. Difference.

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Scale it up though. You doing it is one thing. Is Katy Perry doing it, making millions in the process the same as Alexander McKay doing it making no money off of it?

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Arianna’s not talking about personal expression specifically though but about:

a) White people who get rich off of other people’s cultures without any compensation for those cultures or even proper acknowledgement

b) White people not suffering the same consequences when they appropriate a culture as those actually *of* that culture have to go through.

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I repeated the same things Arianna said just in different words. I didn’t see a specific attack on average people but rather on:

a) society in general
b) celebrities making $

“people who benefit from” means people making money from.

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“people who benefit from” also means people who don’t have to deal with the same crap. That’s also a benefit.

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Ok. I missed that statement. It was sarcastic so I didn’t give it as much credence as the other statements made.

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Not from the rest of what I read. The only place I saw it was in a sarcastic comment. I don’t give sarcastic comments in a debate as much weight as debating points because they’re designed to prove a quick point by making an metaphorical association to provoke an emotional response out of the other debater.

To me this is different than providing real examples, which is what most of the rest of the content was.

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