I think of mirrors pointing at themselves. That analogy works for me.

Not necessarily. Interesting but I think you’re going too broad.

You can have multiple levels.

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I think of mirrors pointing at themselves. That analogy works for me.

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I drew something a kid trying to describe “what it felt like to be me” and it was a bunch of mirrors pointing back towards the middle, with a little input and a lot of inner bouncing.

Always been fascinated by that stuff.

Updated it a few years ago in attempting to describe the experience of time/memory/experience as driving a car backwards but believing it is forwards because of the mirror facing backwards that doesn’t show your face, then being surprise when something comes crashing from in front of you, that you thought was behind you.

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Similar for me. It’s extraordinary but any beyond-ness is up to interpretation for now. I don’t have a problem with someone believing something extra-extraordinary about consciousness generally – I have my own myriad of thoughts in that regard – but convincing me to stick to a singular interpretation only isn’t going to be easy. I’m stubborn in my “I don’t know” ness.

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Many patterns appear to be self-referential and likely are. Feed-forward and feed-back systems, hysteresis, lasers, gravity… sometimes the source is long muddled and all we have is the effects supporting each other in their growth with little left-over to ascertain a precise cause.

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