I honestly didn’t care about their race as people treated me the same regardless as individuals

My racial bias? I dunno. I was raised in 1 sq ml suburb in NJ. Mostly white families and mostly either Irish or Italian.

While I have Irish in me, I never “felt Irish” nor felt Italian, so I was accustomed to feeling an outsider in my own town.

First blacks started moving in when I was in middle school, as did Indians. Never noticed any change in the town or myself.

I honestly didn’t care about their race as people treated me the same regardless as individuals But if I was not in the Irish or Italian clique, which I wasn’t, well, THAT was noticeable when people would have solidarity in their ‘groupings’

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So, perhaps you can find some hidden data in my upbringing that can help me understand my hidden bias one way or the other, I would actually appreciate it.

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When people segregate into groups, whether sports, religions, politics, races, take your pick: if they start having “opposing teams” of some sort, there will be problems.

I treat people like individuals, including all of you, even though I, too dive into stereotypes as well, mostly for humor or to make a point, because for me, it’s practical, pragmatic, effective to be an individualist.

Group behaviors are illogical to me.

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Maybe I am the result of some calculated social conditioning program. That’s quite possible. It wasn’t my school. Maybe it was Mr Rogers. Seems like a good source. Maybe it was my mother who was born too early to be a policewoman in 1959 like she wanted and yet while she agreed to ERA in the 70s, she also thought women’s lib ppl were mostly nuts.

Maybe my grandmother who believed in ancient aliens and did Yoga and yet was very into science and engineering. [she worked for an oil refinery with engineers – Esso, before it was Exxon].

Each of them had shitty childhoods. I had a good one.

No males in the picture. Mr. Rogers was the closest dad figure to 4-7 year old me. 8+ it was Dr. Who.

I was a “Whiz Kid” in the 80s with computers, was going to go into theoretical physics, ended up taking child psych, got screwed out of college by $$$, was going to be a monk in my mid 20s, joining the very conservative Orthodox church, ended up going agnostic in lieu of anything else.

1/2 deaf / 1/2 blind, born with cerebral palsy,looks/acts normal, perfect pitch, turned down Julliard and nearly every opportunity like that that would have forced me into a group identity.

So, there you go. All the source material I can think of.

Speculate. You fit people into groups and I’ll be happy if you’d fit me into one, two or 10 and I’ll agree if they fit. Maybe you’ll help me find “my kind”, whatever they are.

Nerds. I suppose I fit good with that group.

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Egypt was very civilized up until the Ottoman empire. They kinda set thing back for a LOT of areas for quite some time.

Prior to the ottoman empire, Egypt was a part of the Byzantine Empire and also a part of the parallel Persian culture. They traded freely, interacted much, had similar education systems. Not the shit of Europe.

Ottoman empire though? wrecked it. It’s only thanks to the Byzantines that any additional knowledge got passed on at all, allowing the West to FINALLY catch up to where they WERE, and then surpass it, as the Ottomans kept their areas in some kind of weird retro situation.

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But, correct me if I’m mistaken, the cultures _did_ continue to trade as far as I know, even during times of fighting, all the way through to the start of the Ottoman empire, yes?

I was always under the impression that they operated more or less parallel in civilization and education compared to Europe, which was doing quite terribly, up to the Ottoman empire which is when everything of course changed significantly for both East and West.

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I looked up the time frame. 1250 is when they started in Egypt, so yes, that sounds about right.

That’s about the time that Byzantium was taking a tumble for the worse and it laid the roots for the eventual takeover in 1453, start of the Ottoman empire.

I don’t think Islam was anywhere near as radical as it became in the Ottoman empire, but I think it was around the 1200s that the conversion tactics changed significantly, not just for Islam but also for Europe/Western Christian Church (Catholic).

But Byzantium wasn’t really doing much active converting at that point, except I *think* for missionaries in Russia. They were going to uncharted territories.

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