He won the electoral college, not the popular vote. He’s first place due to a quirk in our system but he was really second place, so his election was not a mandate for America. But “part of”? Yes. Once you subtract: a) apathetic non voters b) 3rd party voters c) people in prison not allowed to vote d) people who are 2nd class citizens otherwise and cannot vote. e) fraud there is a portion of people left over who genuinely voted for him. Of that, there’s standard Republican. There’s the people who loved the angry rhetoric. And there’s the downtrodden looking for anybody. But yes, of those that did, it’s real and I understand it.

He won the electoral college, not the popular vote.
 
He’s first place due to a quirk in our system but he was really second place, so his election was not a mandate for America.
 
But “part of”? Yes. Once you subtract:
 
a) apathetic non voters
b) 3rd party voters
c) people in prison not allowed to vote
d) people who are 2nd class citizens otherwise and cannot vote.
e) fraud
 
there is a portion of people left over who genuinely voted for him. Of that, there’s standard Republican. There’s the people who loved the angry rhetoric. And there’s the downtrodden looking for anybody.
 
But yes, of those that did, it’s real and I understand it.
The soil was there, yes. But he planted himself.
If he wasn’t running and somebody else planted themselves in that same soil, such as Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush, they also would have won. But some things would not be like this today.
The electoral college was going to go to a Republican regardless without the whipped up frenzy.
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There was a black man for President with a black family occupying the white house for eight years that got about 30% of the voting block of Americans really really really really angry, particularly encouraged by talk radio / youtubers, birther conspiracies (hi Trump and Sheriff Joe), and the rise of the far right wing around the globe, assisted by some shady churches in the Evangelical South around 2008-2009 and their involvements in Golden Dawn type movements and things.
Real people got connected in a large real world network that played its part in assisting not only this election but several other elections that went hard right. I’ll have to find the article that traced their movements from that time frame but it’s fascinating.
It made it easier to digest why the fuck Rudy Gulliani of all people were making deals with a Russian baddie working out of Ukraine. Of ALL the oddball connections.
It’s annoying. I know everybody plays politics, left right and liberal and whatever, but this timeline is annoying.
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But the media is annoying and inauthentic wealthy liberals are annoying and full of themselves and fake tolerance that are really Karens when pushed is also all true of course.
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But I don’t buy the “You all pushed us to this” rhetoric. That’s what we’re supposed to believe and I don’t.

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I’m all for 3rd party. This is a worldwide issue though. Brazil, Italy, UK, Belarus, growing in Germany.

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When I saw what they did in the UK to convince the farmers for Brexit, I was sickened because they straight up lied.
I mean, I get the point you’re making. “They talked to us” is enough to get votes.
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People want to “feel heard”.
Those who can manipulate that the best, get votes. Those who have shady corporate deals with governors win presidencies.—

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