Generational stereotyping can sometimes be like astrology: if you believe it could be true, you figure out how to make it fit you.
Still, this is the general generational narrative we receive and, well, it’s hard to argue with. He doesn’t make arguments for GenZ as he believes generational studies don’t start until 18 yrs old and beyond. Well, it’s his business (literally) so his choice. Take it with a grain of salt yet after watching one of his presentations on GenX, it was hard to say, “But wait you’re wrong because….”.
This is from The Generational Imperative, Inc (Chuck Underwood).
“Second Wave Gen-X”. I think I avoided a lot of what he said about Gen-X with nutrition and fitness but damn, he nailed some things painfully on the head. My “Whiz kid” status in the 80s and beyond is a source of pride for me and yet, I can’t argue with the guy where he’s right. While I didn’t go into gaming after age 16, I *did* go more heavily into computers and jumped on board with online in ’89, so I can’t argue his “suddenly sedentary” point as much as I’d like to. Chuck Underwood, your being generally correct is getting irritating but worth listening to.
Damn I hope he’s right. I’ve never been happy with my generation. “59,000,000 Armies of 1″. Is this right? Maybe so. Seems so. The skeptic in me is screaming, “it’s like astrology – you’re making something generic fit you because you want to even if you don’t realize it”.
Yet, he throws out some empowering words. Where he says that GenX is finally just getting interest in politics and government (and this was 2 years ago), he’s right. I always voted but I didn’t care a whole lot until just a few years ago. I hate caring about politics and yet, I’ve been starting to.
I’ll be watching this now: where the GenX takes over in the 2030s and 2040s and what he predicts it’ll be like.
I keep in mind that it’s a prediction and like most prophets, grain of salt required. But interesting just the same.
While I didn’t ‘fit’ all points he made, I fit more than I’d expected. I almost hate being so well pegged like this. I suppose it should be comforting to know that “I’m not alone” in this stuff – my distrust of mainstream media started LONG before this campaign season, decades ago and he nails precisely why that is.
Never thought it was generational.
I never felt I resonated with GenX, although this guy has been making some damn strong arguments. I felt I resonate better with GenZ than GenX.
Yet, as he goes over GenX and explains GenX mistrust of older generations in their ethics and leadership capabilities, that might explain it somewhat. I pin my future hopes not on my generation nor on Gen Y (who I think REALLY got screwed big time), but on Gen Z.
You probably see things in GenX like this guy, that I can’t see. I’m starting to see it though. Maybe I *am* a product of my generation. Such a weird feeling tbh.
Well I’m taking all of this with a grain of salt, as it’s more a description of stereotypes than anything else. Still, this Chuck Underwood guy is making sense. It’s his business – he makes $$$ off it and it’s likely his messages are the easiest mot palpable ones. But still, it’s a strange feeling being unable to argue back at him ’cause he sure seems to be right.
The stereotype I see with Gen Y is being enamored by authority figures from the far past. More politically aware than GenX was (is), a little more polar. But these are stereotypes.
Honestly, I think anybody who was raised on the internet is in a better spot in general. I was an early adopter to online, so the aspect of Gen Y you’re talking about fits me. Might be one of the reasons why I never felt in tune with my generation.
GenX’s ethics sucks though and we’re always looking for a no-bullshit solution. This makes GenX terrible at leadership because you have to master bullshit to lead. So, I dunno.
Ok. I’m starting to see some repetition. Repetition doesn’t make it more authoritative, just repeated and not original research. Still skeptical of even the whole generational thing. But… some things are nailed on the head yet again. Bizarre to me. I’ll post in the comments below one thing where I said, “Well yeah, of course!” and then realized that this _might_ be something that’s simply more ‘typical’ of ppl in my generation, not universal at all. Might also explain why things like “loyalty to a: [business / cause / etc]” always seemed weird to me: It probably seems weird to a lot of ppl in my #GenX generation but normal to Boomers and GenY.
I keep hearing that GenX is a weird and misunderstood generation. Maybe they’re right.
I saw this and was “duh, of course!” and it hit me that no, that’s not how everybody is, is it?
I went through it a little when you first recommended it and may return to it again; thank you for the reminder!
The reason why I’m focusing at present at this common Boomer / Gen X / Gen Y narrative is I want to get my ‘finger on the pulse’ of what’s “commonly thought” at present. Learning the common parlance. Learning what the stereotypes are. This gives me an idea of what other people _might_ think of me when they engage with me a little better.
Yeah, I don’t see these generational narratives as precise at all; more like stereotypes that *seem* to have some truth but many of those truths vaporize when you get down to the individual level.
Yet, some parts may have some truth, enough to make it an interesting avenue to explore, just so long as nobody puts *too* much stock in it as if people are _only_ motivated by political news, advertising and such.
Some things that I took as human universals might well just have been an accident of when I was born and the world I was born into, just as you for yours and each for theirs.
One of the videos I found kinda had it right: basically, we suck at leadership. Our distrust of authority means we didn’t want to pass on that type of authority in our lives, so when we DID find ourselves in leadership roles, it’s usually expressed in wonky ways like flat hierarchies and such – ways that don’t really mesh well with politics.
and when we *did* get some marginally GenXers showing up for the prez election, they were the Alex P Keaton types…
The good news is : we still have time.
It seems that “our Time” for leadership will be the 2030s and 2040s and according to one of them, our generation is *just* starting to get interested in politics (the last 5 yrs or so) after decades of disinterest, so there’s hope.
Same. I was always proud of my disinterest in politics. I voted because it nice to join in sometimes and watch the numbers flip up 1. But otherwise, it’s just high-level BS. But lately I’ve been finding my political voice. I know MUCH better where I stand than I ever did in years past. It’s pretty cool.
Agreed. In fact, it’s thanks to the more politically charged millenials that I’ve LEARNED a lot of this stuff. I joined a politics group after getting curious about the “alt right” – something I noticed about two years ago creeping up on FB. I was curious about the subculture of white nationalism, eugenics and stuff. Weird group so interesting.
But then when Trump announced he was running and gave his first speech, THEN it got REALLY interesting. I saw some epic political battles between mostly GenYers on forums here and found myself constantly in Wikipedia, looking up “what is agorism?” and stuff, finding out where I stood on things, and where I didn’t stand, just to keep up.
There was definitely a surge in political interest for a lot of online-grown millenials… I suspect they were all young teens hanging out in 4chan political groups and hotly debated feminism during gamergate and in the process of meme sharing gained some strong political voices, from strong communist to strong authoritarian to strong anarchy, and all sorts of fascinaing inetween positions.
So, I learned a lot. They helped me a lot
m liberal but pretty far left liberal. At the same time, I have a toe in fiscal conservatism, I just don’t see it ever happening in reality, just shifted sideways to privitization and money going into private pockets instead – not ours. Just a diff kind of oligarchy.
Thing is to me, we haven’t had any liberal leadership. Truly liberal leadership wouldn’t be authoritarian in nature. What we got instead was liberal-voiced right, fundamentally no difference between republican and democrat from reagan –> today. And with trump? Nothing much will change but the $$$ will shift sideways into their pockets and I expect even LESS transparency in govt as it goes “board room style”. But, whatev. I never expected government to be ‘the solution’ to probs.
t I learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism the other day. Never heard of it before – just tripped over it. It seemed like something agreeable to me. But I couldn’t figure out why that was.
Then as I looked more into it, I figured it out: It’s familiar.
It’s been the basic way we’ve been doing things for a LONG time now and I don’t _really_ see that fundamentally changing with Trump. What we get is a new face but even if there’s broad privatization, we’ll end up with vouchers for schools, vouchers for work, vouchers for everything so that we can shop around. Meanwhile, the money that would’ve gone into government programs gets funneled into the pockets of the people at the top as always, just through different routes.
Yeah – I’d never heard of it before. It seems so… normal.
Reading more into it in different articles I found, I saw mention of each president from Reagan -> Obama with this communitarianism attached to it. Kinda blew my mind and explained to me WHY each of the presdients ‘seemed’ so similar to me. They were!
Just learned about it maybe a month ago.
Sounds good to me. Sometimes I get friends who have some really awesomely detailed plans of utopian governments and societies. So much detail, all planned out. So my suggestion to them is to write it in fiction. They already have it planned out, and all plans are fictional until enacted. Maybe inspire a few people along the way, self publish on Amazon and stuff.
It’s the kind of advice I should take myself, but it’s easier to give than to receive.