Flash forward 1400 years, after West split off from East and went their own way, then further splintering in the West, mix in Rationalism and Scholasticism and textual analysis, and you end up with Bible only stuff… and people treating the Bible as if it’s a Lawbook rather than a supportive document of a larger Christian culture.

I was raised Methodist, went through some religious questing and ended up Eastern Orthodox for 5 years, forehead deep in theology, not that I’m a pro by any means.

The bible is a collection of books collected together in a council organized by Constantine to bring about unity and clarity: Remember that Christiandom was the height of Science and Philosophy of the day, so it’s no different than a gigantic science convention today.

They put the books together. East had their favs, West had theirs and when it was done, boom, you got the Bible.

Flash forward 1400 years, after West split off from East and went their own way, then further splintering in the West, mix in Rationalism and Scholasticism and textual analysis, and you end up with Bible only stuff… and people treating the Bible as if it’s a Lawbook rather than a supportive document of a larger Christian culture.

I’m agnostic now – like 15 years, although I have no animosity towards the Orthodox or anyplace in my journey.

But the way you are fighting here is silliness.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory James Kevin Magennis The way you refer to “historical existence” is a modern formulation. To understand Scripture properly, you have to be in the mindset of the authors of the time.

Allegory and Rhetoric were powerful tools of the day and the various books of the Bible are full of them.

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I don’t see an either/or there. Word of people inspired by God is another possibility. I’m agnostic, so my answer to the God question is “I don’t know”, plain and simple.

Does the Bible consist of killing non-believers?

In the Christian formulation, no it does not. “Kill them, let God sort them out” may have been a Medieval West bastardization but from my perspective, the moment Pope made himself Boss, and the rest of the churches said, “No.” and cut off the West, the West theologically went astray in a number of ways.

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The copying/pasting makes it meaningless though if the source material is contextually ahistorical.

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Yes there are. In Christiandom, at least traditionally, the old testament was interpreted allegorically and not literally. The mindset was: The old testament as seen through the fundamental change in the very nature of the Universe (or rather, man’s ability to participate in it), ALSO changes the meaning of everything that came before and since.

Theosis. These are Eastern Orthodox Christian concepts, barely used in the West unfortunately, although some denominations touch upon it in part.

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Logos. Logos (Word) is a different concept than a word on a piece of paper.

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Conceptually, Logos is closer to Tao/Dao than it is to the word “word”.

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I believe it says those things. My point is: Bible-as-lawbook is the fundamentally wrong approach.

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Repeating, I’m agnostic. But if all the Bibles in the world were burned and gone, Christianity would still exist, perhaps except for those who depended on it.

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