c) I think that by battling, I am forced (through choice of participation) to clarify the expression of my thoughts.

I look around me. I see people doing things, pursuing goals, gathering evidence, arriving at truths.
I see many methodologies people use, each with differing degrees of effectiveness.
I’m not superior to any of these people.
But I suppose I am a pragmatist.
Does it work? Use it.
Does it fail? Don’t use it
Call me a simple minded American neoliberal relativist privatizer of thought if you like.
But… I look around me and people think different things and yet still get things accomplished effectively.
It’s enough for me. I’m 43. I have perhaps 43-45 more years to go. Perhaps I am a hedonist and find “enjoyability” important. Yet I appreciate the value of hunkering down and working to comprehend systems and utilize them for the best benefit of whatever one thinks needs to be accomplished.

For what purpose does this serve?

This is my question to you, WM

For what purpose does wishing me to explain myself utilizing the same familiar terminology that you are accustomed to, serve?

Do you wish to understand me?
Do you wish for me to understand you?
Is this a goalless endeavor?

It is precisely your sincerity that keeps me in this conversation. I notice it when I see it and I saw it in you.

I do not think ANY process can lead you from premise to conclusion. I thought I made that distinction clear.

Some processes are useless. Some work fantastically. Most are somewhere inbetween and depend on circumstance for appropriate applicability.

I’m answering these question for myself now:

“For what purpose does wishing me to explain myself utilizing the same familiar terminology that you are accustomed to, serve?”

I wish to be understood, even if that does not result in agreement.

“Is this a goalless endeavor?”

No, it is not. I have several goals:

a) I collect my responses, without people’s names into a collection of things that I have written to http://icopiedyou.com
I am in a process of literally collecting all of my thoughts together in one place. It is a long-term project I am working on.

1) I am doing so for it is my thought that by laying it all out on the table, I may be able to form connections between patterns of expressions of thought that I have produced to ultimately better comprehend my stance.

2) I have used many methodologies to achieve that goal and have made excellent progress.

b) I am “battling” as it were because I think that “sword sharpens sword”. You are an excellent opponent because you are a sincere fighter and do not resort too often to underhanded tactics, with a few exceptions such as analogizing to Hitler or the presentation of other extreme thought experiments. But they are par for the course and not unexpected.

c) I think that by battling, I am forced (through choice of participation) to clarify the expression of my thoughts.

d) The end goal? I want to be able to answer any question anybody has about anything and be understood by them.

I do not require agreement. Only understanding.

Does this help? I can try again if I was unclear.

I am a little behind, but for example,
[this page]
is the last two responses I made with your name removed.

I make it public for accountability for my words, although it is not primarily a “blog” as it were. It is more a convenient data collection point that I can access from anywhere, and I allow it to be searched by anybody.

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