BUT, you _can_ find good teachers at any school as well as crappy ones. Whether you get a good or bad teacher is rarely a choice though.

Thing is, there’s no average. Quality depends completely on zip code.

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BUT, you _can_ find good teachers at any school as well as crappy ones. Whether you get a good or bad teacher is rarely a choice though.

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Prior to the 1950s, 8th grade was graduation.
High school was for fancy kids.

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The degree is basic now.

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  I don’t have one (ran out of $$). Just high school + “some college”.
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He gets a basic job at a college that offers a few free college courses and just keeps doing it.Not a bad way to do a life.
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  That’s always been one of my backup life plans: Move near a university, get a basic job there and start taking courses too.
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 I think a lot of ppl are pushed to go right after high school because financial help dries up after a certain age (around 23 yrs old).So, they HAVE to start before they’re ready.They get a short time to “Find themselves” and boom, they’re out in the world.
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Good thing about a BA is it’s good all around knowledge. Educated citizens make a stronger society vs uneducated citizens.But for “a job”? That doesn’t always work. For that, you can get any old jobs training program for anything.
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  Clout matters though. That’s something degrees can give.For example, if you apply at a job in a place where the future boss went to the same college as you did? You’re much more likely to get hired.
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Making friends with the family of a future boss is another way to get in a company.There’s a lot of lies about getting jobs. The truth is that politics and business are just about identical.
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 Merit pay _can_ be a good thing. But NCLB was implemented too strongly on top and mismanaged at bottom.
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  Problem was that the only input allowed from students was test scores.
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 It’s not elitist. Gifted programs generally suck. Neph e w’s in “Cambridge”, arguably the standard for gifted standards. He does fine on the testings but the classes are a wreck, treated just like the “slow kids classes”.In one sense, that’s good as it has a bit more individualization than standard kids get.But it’s bad because they’re either cut WAY too much slack (even he says so – and he loves having the freedom to scream randomly and get away with it), or treated like prisoners.But Florida’s education system is messed up
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 “bell curve” pisses me off still. Teachers teach to “normal kids”. it’s a wide range but cookie cutter.IF you’re outside of the bell curve, they hardly know what to do with you.
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 At least Norway is doing something positive for lower intellect kids. The US it’s either “emotionally disturbed” or “future prisoner”, but the failure is they’re not meant for standard US school and neither are gifted kids.I’d probably put in a tutoring/self-directed learning combo (hands on then hands off)
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  Thing is: In lieu of _nothing_, I accept the utility of a public school system. Society isn’t ready for a lot of the ideas I have (which aren’t unique probably) so I support it right now.But I’d yank gifted kids like you Koen right out of public school and put you in a program at the first sign of you preying on the weak.
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  Ok. So, imagine we 3 are in charge of a new govt education system. Population: 100 million, 25 million are “school age”. Various capabilities. No culling allowed.What do we do?
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 Test based segregation.
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  IQ tests are racially biased and not complete. I’m assuming Jackson is talking about a better IQ test, not what we have.
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  I’m not gong into the flaws of “intelligence is how well you can rotate imaginary objects in your mind”.
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 Better tests, yes. Current IQ product is flawed. Use it but not exclusively. It’s not crying to state facts.
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 That’s what kills me with this stuff. ALL the tools exist for a functioning US public school system.They already do tracking, but age-based segregation makes it difficult to put kids into proper intellect classes.Yet, there’s the power difference which can make putting, say, a 3rd grader into a 7th grade class potentially disasterous.So, whatever it is that causes that power difference also has to be taken into account.Yet, if you strive for strict control of everything, that can reinforce and amplify the “trickle down” of power abuse.
Perhaps something akin to Sudbury school model? I dunno.
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 Now I’m wishing for Summerhill. But that’s one of those “hard to imagine the USA implementing” ideas of which I have many.
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Power differences are mostly societal, but as that includes language development, access to a limit of non-familial friends of diverse a g es, reinforcement via media and other socialization tools, as a fiction it’s also quite real.But, I’m aware of power.I’m aware when power is used towards me and also continually work on being aware when I’m using power towards others, for power is often invisible to the beholder.So, when a yo u ng person follows me on a social network, I friend back. I like and respond to comments. But I keep everything public.I don’t like being too deeply involved in friendships with anybody of any a ge or background as I prefer a slight aloofness-with-heart. So, this can make me “not a good friend” sometimes. I ignore most IM/PM/VM from everybody. .I can’t say that’s an answer for anybody else. But as there is a huge disconnect between friendship and current society’s general notion of “these are the acceptable limits to acceptable friendships”, bridging that gap means you have to decide how much of an activist you want to be.I keep my persona as avuncular / professorial.

I can’t say “do or don’t” for anybody else, just say what I do to straddle the bridge so that a diverse population of individuals can be friends with me and I with them.

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(avuncular is a great word. Just relearned it again about a year ago as I keep forgetting it exists)
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 (female version is: “materteral” and I wish both words had broader use as it captures a kind of friendship that isn’t a strict, bloodline hierarchical but is much broader in scope, capturing a “being neighborly” friendship with just a bit more heart and care to it)
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 Udut Fascinating. (BAD STEREOTYPES COMING BUT BASED ON EXPERIENCES):So when women display these emotions, such as comparing gifts at a baby shower, not getting a thank you note for a wedding gift, or plastering shirtless posters of a favorite band member all over the walls as a preteen, this is a display of masculine emotions?I thought these were basic human emotions.
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Did men set up these traditions so that women would be more like men?Are these all holdovers from patriarchal society, forcing women to participate in such masculine emotions such as anger, lust and personal pride?Or, is your source for your divisions between emotions a bunch of undigested nonsense wrapped in Crusader’s armor?
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I’m fine if you’re on a search of masculinity, but this road of split emotions is worth reexamining.
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 For-profit charter schools who are paid by attendance fake attendance records. Lack of accountability is an issue in all these cases but too much accountability can stifle. Balance.
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  Ah. The stuff that leads to testosterone supplements, men obsessively getting their T tests, adopting philosophies that take bad behavior and call it rebirth of true civilization and lead to absurd memes about height, calls to hold in masturbation for the miniscule temporary increase in T levels and the like.It’s a form of dysmorphia. I was always an easy muscle gainer but I know there are men that have difficulties and go to great lengths to aspire to ideals that are socially constructed molds to fit.

Alpha vs beta, continual disappointment in one’s own self for not matching up to manly enough ideals that often go back to bad 3rd grade experiences being teased… I don’t know why this is something to advocate.

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 Advocate hedonism as you wish but to say feminism prevents it is a bit of a stretch. There’s a lot of things preventing hedonism in society but they stretch much further back in time than a modern movement.
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