Got my pizza now. What differs for me in this case? It’s not the local people protesting the removal of their statue. I’m 100% fine with that. It’s their town issue and protesting is part of our culture.
But then people travel around the country looking for protests to join. That’s when things start getting weird to me, no matter who is doing the protesting and for what reason.
But NOW, you’ve got groups that *should* have _nothing_ at all in common with local people protesting the removal of a statue being welcomed in, and some of those other groups joining claim to speak for me, a white American male.
But they don’t speak for me.
That’s when I have a problem.
I know – but it just gets strange and dangerous sometimes when people looking for protests to join start pouring in from everywhere, bring unrelated fights with them.
What were Nazi flags doing there? And the people with the black X wooden shields looking like college kids roleplaying “medieval times”? That’s a symbol for fascists.
What’s fascists doing at a statue removal protest?
Whole thing was bizarre but I guess professional protesting is officially a thing. Maybe it always was and I just didn’t notice it before. I just hate when people get hurt in these things.
There’s not a whole lot of difference. Main difference i see is when they try to speak for me. I don’t mind when groups speak for themselves – that’s fine. But when they try to speak for me, it gets my ire because they don’t represent me.
I try not to get too deep. Most of what I see is the same kinds of people beating up the same kinds of people. Group sports.
But people shouldn’t be dying. Slap each other in the faces, play fake sword battles with cute little wooden shields? fine. But not people dying and shit.
No. If he is, I’d be extremely and unbelievably shocked and usually I expect anything out of anybody, but not that.
I saw a few of those call outs. I don’t have a problem with that. If you’re willing to stand up in a public forum and shout things loudly, you’re telling the world, “HEY LOOK, THIS IS ME AND WHAT I BELIEVE”.
What I *don’t* agree with is when people call up their places of work and say “Hey, did you know your employee is [x]?” or their husbands or wives or children or parents…
I *think* they did. I’m not sure but when I saw them battles, both sides had their own little shields and were hitting each other. It was like medieval times except I *think* they really mean to hurt one another, which sucks.
But then it didn’t stop there. That’s where I get that sickish feeling.
They can be exposed. I’m fine with them collecting public information and putting it online in various places. Those posts on twitter are great and I’m all for it.
It’s the calling work/family directly that i have an issue with.
Too direct. There’s local media. Let them do it. They’re theoretically trained for that sort of thing.
“merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.”
That, to me, is what calling someone at home/work/school, kids/parents/teachers/grandparents is.
Like I said, I don’t have a problem with publicly exposing them on Twitter, or FB, or whatever. That, to me is equivalent to calling their local newspaper and they publish a story.
But calling directly when you don’t know the people? I dunno.
That _directly_ invades the privacy expectations of the family / friends / teachers / workplaces / etc. They didn’t ask for it.
That’s the other thing about calling these “related people” anonymously that bothers me: There’s zero accountability. With online there’s accountability. With media, there’s accountability.
But a throw-away phone calling someone’s boss to say “they’re an [x]”? I find that bothersome.
I’m not asking for their confidentiality.
It’s the method of exposure where one or MANY people anonymously calling their workplaces with no way to trace who called it in that’s bothersome.
Anonymous tips to a newspaper? The reporter now has accountability. It’s a go-between. Publishing it online? The online service is a go-between. There’s records.
I saw one report on that twitter page earlier where they misidentified someone.
That’s fine. Like a newspaper, you can issue a retraction, and they did. They said “oops”. Good enough.
But once you make those phone calls to workplaces directly? Who is going to go “oops”? nobody.
They can fire for other reasons having nothing to do with that. Every employee makes mistakes on record that they could be fired for.
But once they’re fired, that’s it.
Most people can’t afford lawyers. I’m sorry but the game of “let’s screw up someone’s life” is a game not to be taken lightly. If you have no accountability, you don’t care about consequences when you make a mistake.
Go through accountable means. Even if you’re not accountable, at least leave the responsibility with somebody.
I can see very few cases where unaccountable vigilante justice is justifiable.
Post it on twitter. Make up a website. Make it a meme. Call the cops. Call the media. But going straight to their lives anonymously without accountability of _some kind_ seems to me a last option, not a first.
Thank you. As much as I don’t care for police injustices and 100 other things, at the same time, that’s their job to enforce laws and they should get first … shot.. oh wait… hm. I mean, an opportunity to do their jobs.