Brain structure arises as it does from our development from conception, via DNA and in womb.Structures are differentiated within the brain for different purposes by the time you leave the birth canal.I see no reason that spontaneous emissions arising internally from within one’s own nervous system wouldn’t also utilize these same structures within the brain, including awareness.
I do. Impulses are impulses, regardless of source.‘
_How_ such a person’s brain would utilize these resources would be a fascinating study of brain plasticity. For example, the “grid like” structure that is part of the visual system. How might that be utilized?
For example, I have a “musical brain”. Compositions arise spontaneously. Happened for as long as I can recall.But, my hearing apparatus is flawed. One ear deaf, the other only goes up to 5000 hz. Hasn’t changed since I was 4 and I’m 46 now.Yet, I can imagine notes for many octaves higher than my ears have ever processed.How is that?The “space for” hearing those notes is there in the brain . Other systems “create” impossible notes that utilize that part of the brain just fine.
Granted, I had external stimuli. But I know through unverifiable experience that the brain is capable of things that the external sensors fail at.
That’s what would be fascinating to study. People born entirely deaf have repurposed their hearing systems. People born entirely blind have repurposed their visual systems.Synthestesia is connections between sensory systems that is uncommon.I first wanted to prove to you that:
a) the brain has purposed spaces and abilities as part of the nervous system, regardless of HOW it’s used.b) There is great flexibility in how the brain purposes these systems when traditional inputs fail.Did I succeed in convincing you?I can’t move forward if you are in doubt.
I don’t have a “ready answer” by the way. I’m thinking this through as I go through this conversation.I’m pausing at this point because I realized that anything further I might say will probably rest upon point a and b.But if there’s not assent, I’m not going to go in circles trying.
I don’t know yet I just wanted to be sure we’re on the same page before I put forth thinking further. Now I’ll think further about your awareness question.
I’ll continue with an assumption of “yes” for now.
For me for some reason, my mind makes everything musical.
Had I no external senses, I imagine my brain would make use of my heart beat and lungs to create a form of musical awareness.
The brain has awareness of its own internal operations if I’m not mistaken. The phonological loop, one of the central concept of working memory theory, would be a good operation for self diagnosis to occur within.You’re putting numbers at this without considering the nature of the device processing the stimulus.A 0 or 1 has no inherent internal structure but a brain does.
I know but bad metaphors can lead to erroneous results. The agnosticism of numbers can work in some cases but as the brain is basically an “empty city”, how it gets populated is almost irrelavent.
I’m assuming that the capacity of awareness arises out of and is part of the very structure of the brain itself.The QUALITY of awareness may be affected by stimuli but the CAPACITY remains.
The only instance I can see of an brain incapable of awareness would be a non electrified, non chemical, “disconnected from power sources and feeding tubes” brain. In short Dead.But any living brain of basically normal structure but lacking a nervous system below the brain stem would have its OWN chemicals and electrical systems to work with.What you’d probably end up with is a brain that knows itself. Awareness would probably extend to its own operations in some fashion, the “I” being all itself and nothing else.
Thank you for clarifying.
The only instance of zero stimuli that I can conceive of is a dead, nonfunctioning brain.
A brain’s very _nature_ is that as being a part of a nervous system.Cut away as many nerves as you like, you’ll still have nerves in the brain.If those nerves function, which they must in a functioning brain, you have stimulus.
If you have a brain with no nerves, you have a nonfunctional brain.
Ok. I see the disconnect and it was my fault.You see awareness as an emergent property of a system with external stimuli.
I see awareness as an emergent property of the system itself.
Analogy: Mirrors for lasers in a lab.
External stimuli is lasers bouncing across mirrors.
But those mirrors will still function if you open a curtain and still bounce light properly.