Because I think in analogies/metaphors, I can go through whatever rituals they like and make it work for my brain style.

In fact, I liked it so much, that it became my retirement / uh-oh-life-went-to-shit-i-lost-the-mortgage-and-have-nowhere-to-go plan.

I’d pick a monastery or planned community : any one of them will do. I’m flexible. Because I think in analogies/metaphors, I can go through whatever rituals they like and make it work for my brain style.

and yes, I agree w/you about what you said about them as being idealists. I’d _love_ to be an idealist but my freakin’ inner skeptic keeps getting in the way. I’m glad too. Keeps me from going overboard in ideologies.


Well, the monastery I was at you could have your own stuff. It was in the late 1990s. One of the monks was an 80+ yr old southern US dude with an old Mac set to a REALLY large font and he was writing his memoirs / meaning-of-life stuff and played on the ‘net, as it was in the late 90s anyway).

Another had a harmonica he’d play outside while tending the bees. [they made beeswax candles for $]. Prayer schedule wasn’t hard: 5x a day, starting at like 4am or so. It’s actually a nice way to wake up: You get up, sing for an hour, have breakfast, do stuff, meet again for another 1/2 hr or singing and chanting., do other stuff, have a snack, read a book… I mean, it wasn’t bad at all.


It can be. Depends on the structure of the commune itself so that it doesn’t blow itself up due to power plays and stuff. Idealism alone doesn’t seem to cut it. Gotta have practical smarts too.

They usually need external support of some kind. Amish/Mennonites have their tourism and apple pie stuff. Most communes can be seen as businesses where people live there ’cause money is a reality usually.

So, as a self-sustaining unit? I don’t think they can be. But they can be structured with minimal outside financial support, with the occasional fund drive and lightweight business model.


Well, with capitalism, there’s the risk of becoming the dragon sitting in front of the cave with all his gold under his ass, even with the best of ideals.

With regards to external funding, look at monasteries: They get help from churches. They do what they can on their own of course, but they got mortgages to pay and electric bills (unless they’re HARDCORE… which few are but I know of a few)


I dunno – I figured being further along on the anarchist and away from the authoritarian would make the Dalai Lama _more_ political (more authoritarian) and me less so, and with less authoritarian in me, that means less “standing up in front saying, ‘hey everybody, do this – it’s good for you” than him.


Oh me? Money’s a necessity ’cause it’s build into the fabric of everything. Might be able to escape it partially, but as there’s no virgin land to be tamed that ISN’T governed by _somebody_, you gotta pay the tax man at some point, which requires $$$. Maybe not much, but some.


Well, I wouldn’t want a large scale social libertarian utopia. Human nature is what it is. I think there’s gotta be room for greed to operate as well as egalitarianism. Too much in any direction and you get problems. Too center and nothing happens. So, back and forth, give and take, covers more ground of more personalities than any strict system acting alone.



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