and there’s nothing in your OWN existence that you can stand on, then you’re just complaining instead of making American a better place.

Afraid to compete, Pete? Toughen up, buttercup.

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So what if the ‘white population’ is 40% in the USA by [some year]? Have more sex and kids then if it matters that much to you.

IF all you have going for you is, “my great-great-…-grandfather came from Europe” and there’s nothing in your OWN existence that you can stand on, then you’re just complaining instead of making American a better place.

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Obama was a law and order president. Clinton would’ve been a law-and-order President. Just look at how empowered police have been.

Trump’s all about the billionaire class. If it doesn’t line his coffers or that of his Wall Street buddies, or govt insider friends, he’s not going to care much.

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It’s usually more subdued than this. Instead of “headlock”, it’s “while our esteemed colleague seems to have done his homework, he neglected a few critical points which I will outline here.”

Same impetus.

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You’re welcome Eva. I actually though his kind were long gone until the past couple of years. My friends and the places I worked or went to, whether in real life or online, weren’t like that.

It’s only when I decided to study the alt right about two years ago (when they started popping up on facebook instead of their normal safe spaces), that I started seeing them again.

For me, I hadn’t seen this stuff since mid high school.

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I’m more liberal than most liberals which ends up pissing off everybody eventually.

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Hm. Well: did you hear about the college that temporarily took down the American flag? That’s where I went to college. I’m even more liberal than them. [ Hampshire College, Amherst MA ]

What pisses people off about me? I dunno. I guess when they want me to hate their favorite hated group, I don’t.

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It’s big govt or big corps. Given the choice, I’ll take the big govt. We don’t get small govt because the Constitution isn’t set up that way. But we *can* give excess powers to big corps and ‘trust them’ to handle certain things that are usually government’s work, which will always end up in a botched mess eventually.

If you’re not top-tier, you’re going to pay more taxes somehow. Doesn’t matter who is in power. If you run a business, you have to have at least 50-200 employees to be considered small business. Anything below that and you’re a micro business and you get zero benefits from any party in power.

As far as abortion goes? Afaik, late term abortion is exceedingly rare and is for medical reasons. As I don’t have a uterus and I don’t know what it’s like to carry, it’s not my call.

Immigrants: there’s no open borders and never has been in the USA. But there’s always people who get in and will continue to.

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here’s no such thing as unvetted immigrants. You have illegal immigrants. The rest are vetted.

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We have a lot of them here where I live. They all work and pay their taxes so local authorities leave them alone unless they get into mischief.

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They should serve whatever is the appropriate sentence by the laws of the area. I live in Collier County FL, which is one of three counties that are tough against crimes committed by illegals, because we have so many here that work on the farms.

They’re left alone, drive carefully when they drive, and do everything they can to stay under the radar. The police know who they are and as long as their nose is kept clean, they’re fine.

But here’s the process here:: [copied from a site that explains these things]

If arrested by ICE: 1) you will be taken to jail or an office, 2) you will be interviewed about your immigration status, 3) you will be moved to a detention center, 4) you will have an immigration court hearing
If arrested by the police: 1) you will be booked into jail and interviewed about your immigration status, 2) ICE detainer (“hold”), 3) criminal case could be resolved or not; ICE will pick you up anyway due to detainer, 4) serve sentence (“time served” if any), 5) ICE picks you up from jail/prison and/or you stay in the same jail, which acts like a detention center, 5) ICE may move you to a detention center, 6) you will have an immigration court hearing.

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Once ICE has their hands on you, you’ll probably spent some time in holding to determine where you go next. I don’t see that changing under Trump much, despite ‘fast track’ rhetoric as there’s foreign nations to contend with and it’s not as simple as campaign rhetoric suggests. He’ll learn.

But if it was up to me? If they’ve managed to hold a job and paid their taxes, secured some sort of living arrangements and have stayed out of trouble for a period of time (I don’t know how long), I’d have some kind of citizenship program.

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Some male inhabitants of the interwebz only have had minimal contact with women in their lives, usually their mothers, sisters and a few mean girls at school. So, they have my pity.

Their worlds are tiny and limited.

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Vic, this is the internet. Eva could be a 47 year old man for all I know. You could be a 12 year old girl. I have no way to know. I could be a dog. So, I treat people the same.

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I’m sure you’re two different people. As far as conspiracy goes, Alex Jones / Brietbart / Fox news / ’nuff said.

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You claimed conspiracy. I claimed extra possibilities. Never said they were likely.

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Something dreadful I’m sure. I prefer the subthreads and going off track. Far more interesting usually.

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Our headlock convo was comedy gold to me. Good stuff. The OP was some kind of bait of some kind.

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Only reason I know is we went to a garage sale there about 11 years ago. It was weird too: it was the only paved road in the area at the time (ours was still dirt).

Anyway, we were only there a few minutes before we found out whose house it was. Wasn’t that big of a deal, but as my values don’t align fully with theirs, I didn’t feel like buying from them.

It’s just a bunch of middle aged /old men who hang out and talk about “if we won the civil war” type stuff afaik.

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This is the area that CIA, FBI and Mafia alike retire to, and hang out over drinks and talk about old times. Former enemies, all retired who no longer give a fuck and are enjoying themselves.

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