All that speculation in the OP is mountain-out-of-a-molehill. There are real people involved, with some things in common but all unique experiences that shape. So what you have is a lot of anecdotes which can combine to form a general narrative but they ultimately remain individual stories and situations. I know several trans people and their stories are each different. Bundling into scary narratives of downfalls of civilizations is a bit ridiculous.

I’m ok with categorizing into groupings. Maybe 3 or 4 distinct areas to distinguish.

But it can’t be all lumped together. All that speculation in the OP is mountain-out-of-a-molehill.

There are real people involved, with some things in common but all unique experiences that shape.

So what you have is a lot of anecdotes which can combine to form a general narrative but they ultimately remain individual stories and situations.

I know several trans people and their stories are each different. Bundling into scary narratives of downfalls of civilizations is a bit ridiculous.

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“Gender is a social construct” is hardly new or news.

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“Why can’t we just be ourselves (whatever that is), without needing confirmation, approval, consent & the acknowledgement from others?”

That sounds grand but it’s not possible. Why did you make this post in a forum with others in it?

Same reasons.

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It’s an experience I can barely fathom.

I look at myself and occasionally get a note of disappointment: hairline receding 1/4″ from last year, belly out more than I want, etc. and that’s the closest I can relate — and I’m generally comfortable in my own skin but I get those things.

But the levels with dysphoria is something I can’t fathom.

Similar with clinical depression. I’ve been sad, melonchaly, and thought I was depressed.

But no. The clinically depressed are in holes that I simply can’t comprehend. Their experiences are ones I just can’t compare my own to.

So, I have sympathy, compassion. I’m lucky and appreciate that I don’t have to go through what they do.

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Fines are for bullying someone, not misgendering. “Oops, I said he” isn’t a fine.

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You’re complaining about being unable to torment someone freely.

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“, you can’t so easily pigeonhole me into a side.” Apply that to gender.

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Is it likely you will have a different stance when these threads conclude?

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“born with another brain” is shorthand talk. First off, there’s not a strict divide between male and female brains. There’s very broad generalities which are used as patterns.

As far as “sissy training”? Passing is an important part of improving dysphoria and it involves learning to follow cultural stereotypes so that others respond better.

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Gender is social. It is roleplaying.

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It’s loosening the bonds of the binary roles. Stripping away the hold of the binary but stripping away altogether is a kind of egalitarianism, which is a part of feminism but not in all of feminism.

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Imagine a play  There are only two players on stage.

Gets dull, familiar, fixed.

Now add more players on stage. Is it suddenly too complicated? You don’t have to go to that play. You can go to another playhouse that has the old 2 player play you like.

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Conflict? No, because like any field of study there are different schools of thought.

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Is it a conflict that you’re not far-right while sharing some far-right values? That you want your own category? No.

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What if I started advocating that you read Mein Kampf while I read Marx and that those were the only two choices available?

That would be ridiculous.

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It’s not promotion. It’s a medical option for a very disasterous condition that often ends in suicide. There are a LOT of people in society who push against it vigorously, which is why there is a lot of education available to push back with.

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Dysphoria is not a choice. It is a medical condition similar to anorexia. Do you say to an anorexic, “You just don’t feel like eating?” You could but you’d be wrong.

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You’re jumping to “all-or-none”. Dysphoria is a medical condition. Do you agree?

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So, you don’t believe there are any measurable differences between those with gender dysphoria and those without?

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Once you have measurable differences, it is no longer a mental illness because now it has a physical, treatable cause.

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No. I think they each need to be parsed out and treated as separate things.

You can probably end up with a subset that fits the criteria in your OP (you can say “tumblrites” – a common designation) but not until you first acknowldge and separate it from the medically necessary treatments.

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I’m ok with categorizing into groupings. Maybe 3 or 4 distinct areas to distinguish.

But it can’t be all lumped together.

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I’m negating your broadness. Those “indoctrination” programmes to me are outreach programmes for the Jesse’s out there.

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His point is gay is gay but there are straights who think they’re gay and gays who think they’re straight.

Childhood sexual abuse can mix things up and be tough to sort out

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Erotic interest is distinct from orientation.
This means orientation is real.
Gay is real.

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You need a better article Dain if you want to prove your point. That article proves that sexual abuse does not cause sexual orientation.

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Core is “a person’s inner sense “.

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“How you feel like” is visceral.
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  visceral:
“relating to deep inward feelings rather than to the intellect.”
Gut. Instinctual.
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  Dysphoria (to go back to that) is a visceral or what I call a “full body” reaction.Core sexual identity is visceral.The “sexual disorientation” in that article is men toying around with gay things because of a bad habit that’s changeable.That’s distinct from men who are gay, which is not changeable.
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  Doctors sometimes cut off the wrong limbs, pharmacists give 1000mg instead of 100mg of something, back surgury only works 50% of the time.You’re not going to get 100% correct with any of this.But you do it for those that it helps and try to minimize error, which is why they put teams of professionals for these things. They really try to get things right as it’s their careers to not be wrong about it.
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 I still don’t see the dark web you see. We all have false memories. As far as hypnosis, it only works on the willing.
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  Ok. Nutrition science generally isn’t. Take all that with a grain of salt… ok maybe not salt.
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  Balanced protein, carbs, fat is basic info and works.Soy has phytoestrogens but it’s showing up in less foods now because it’s a common allergen.
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Not THAT much. A little? Sure. Zinc boosts testoserone. A little. Copper boosts estrogen. A little. None make drastic changes.
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 Soy lethicin is a byproduct and I don’t think it contains much in the way of phytoestrogens. That’s just the “goo” and it’s similar to egg yolks.
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  I have a big bottle of Soy Lecthin I got out of curiousity. It’s a thick goo that sticks to everything and I can’t use for anything.The amounts you find in food?About the amount that’s in PAM cooking spray. Almost none. It’s for nonstick and it takes a TINY tiny tiny bt.
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  It’s an emulsifier allowing oil and water to mix. Takes SO little to function.
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 Sounds right. They didn’t test men in the 1940s. They tested 60 year old men in the 1987 and 60 year old men in 2004.
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  60 yr old men in 2004 were born in 1944: Baby boomers.
60 yr old men in 1987 were born in 1927: Silent Generation.
This sounds like a Generational study from Howe and that other guy.
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  Lifespans.
If you were born in 1930, a white male your life expectancy was: 58.1 years.
born in 1950? 65.6 yearsSo, you’re already in a smaller group if you are 60 and born in 1927.but born in 1944, there’s a much larger sample that make it to 60 yrs old.
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  I think a better study would take into account:
Much greater population pool (greater chance for differences)
Different lifespans.
If you make it beyond average for your generation, there may be something different about you. Might be genetics, life experience, who knows.But if you are of a common age for your generation to reach, you won’t have anything exceptional statistically.
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  US men born in 1927 had the great depression in common. Austerity.US men born in 1944 had the 1950s – prosperity.Might account for differences.
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 1927 was a good year to pick though. They were 18 in 1945, so few would have been drafted and injected with all the weird shit the soldiers got.
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  My brother never made it through Navy boot camp — they wanted to break his jaw to fit a snorkel (his recruiter never should have taken him). But he got injected with ALL kinds of weird shit in the first few weeks. Never knew what. That was the 1970s for him. (I was just a baby).
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  I think I got too much of that T stuff. Always fighting the inner Incredible Hulk since I was a kid. Lots of deep breathing, mental tricks and stuff. By nature I’d probably be a bar brawler but I’ve been totally pacifist since I was about 13 yrs old. I don’t like causing pain.
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In talking about transgender issues, focusing on gender dysphoria is important because it assists in continuing treatment options. But when focus shifts to rational, conscious preference transgender, it turns the narrative into “why don’t they just think differently?”

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